Mitochondria may contribute to neurological and psychiatric disorders: research
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I was in a lab meeting maybe 4 years ago or so and my PI had just come back from a conference on Alzheimer's. He reported back that groups had started investigating the role of mitochondrial dysfunction in the disease and had been able to find that lineages with variants in genes related to mitochondria and energy homoeostasis were far more likely to have or develop Alzheimer's. I haven't kept an eye on progress in that line of research, but it is in line with what is being reported/speculated here.
Finally, a couple of years ago I ran into the father of someone I went to middle school with and I learned that he was a biochemist. Somehow the conversation wound around to the challenge of understanding neurodegenerative diseases. I asked him for his take on a disease that only presents after 60ish years. His immediate answer was DNA damage during mitosis. But neuron's don't divide. And then it hit me. There IS something that is still dividing inside the neurons! It is the mitochondria! The other possibility is the astrocytes, the microglia, or some other mitotic cell population in the brain, but the mitochondria really stand out as fitting both the fact the neurons don't divide and the instinct from a veteran biochemist that something that takes so long to appear must be related to DNA damage.
You might find this of interest too from eleven years ago: https://drhyman.com/blog/2010/12/09/breakthrough-discovery-o... "Let’s look more closely at what this new study in The Journal of the American Medical Association tells us about mitochondrial dysfunction and how this may lead us to new methods of treatment—methods similar to the ones I used to help reverse Jackson’s autism. ... This study forces the question: How do children acquire energy deficits that affect their whole system, not just the brain? The causes of mitochondrial dysfunction are well known, specifically as it relates to metabolism and the brain, and I have documented them in my books UtraMetabolism and The UltraMind Solution. They include environmental toxins(iv)—mercury, lead and persistent organic pollutants(v)—latent infections, gluten and allergens (which trigger inflammation) sugar and processed foods,(vi) a nutrient-depleted diet,(vii) and nutritional deficiencies.(viii) These are all potentially treatable and reversible causes of mitochondrial dysfunction that have been clearly documented. I found all these problems in Jackson, and over a period of 2 years we slowly unraveled and treated the underlying causes of his energy loss which included gut inflammation, mercury, and nutrient deficiencies. Over time, the tests for his mitochondrial function and oxidative stress (as well as levels of inflammation and nutrient status) all normalized. When they became normal, so did Jackson. He went from full-blown regressive autism to a normal, bright beautiful 6-year-old boy. This is just one story, but if autism can be reversed in one child, if there is any possibility of effective treatments or a potential cure, it forces us to ask critical questions: How did this happen? Can it happen in other children? What were the biological patterns found and how were they treated?"
And if it applies to young brains, why would it not apply to older brains?
I can back up my pet theory with studies. Bottom line is, stomach sleeping with good air circulation (2) reduces SIDS at similar rates to back sleeping without the side effect of autism.
1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4978628/ 2: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/...
We were looking for natural experiments. Ideally somewhere that babies are still stomach slept. Much like Israel and peanut snacks in the study of peanut allergies, it’s hard to change a protective paradigm without a natural experiment.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/02/eating-peanuts-preve...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1993/06/30/c...
The WaPo article is very illuminating re: how Chinese babies were raised. As it was published almost 30 years ago, those babies are now established Chinese adults. Makes you wonder how much they're shaped by how they were reared.
I’m disinclined to trust our contemporary society with deciding whether autism is good or bad.
A difficult scenario for parents, perhaps, but I feel that’s better handled by society pulling its head out of its ass and providing a system that supports such situations.
May I ask why? Can't it be some other process that builds up over time?
I’m not saying that these pathways should not be studied, but it’s very annoying that scientists resort to such disingenuous messaging not just to the public but also to grant review committees. My favorite other outrageous (important, but still outrageous) strictly true but kinda bs statements include:
1. We are more bacteria than ourselves because we have more bacterial cells (our cells are 1000x larger so no shit) 2. Using only 10% of your brain 3. Your immune system is responsible for X 4. Your gut micro biome is responsible for X
(Though 3 and 4 have exceptions like when the autism researchers finally conceded that maybe the parents were not bsing after all and there’s a gut immune connection).
Except for Rowhammer. :)
That’s not correct, but it’s a common misconception
- Delete backup mtDNA
- Cause oxidative damage to mitochondria, impairing their function
- Impair mitochondrial replication
It makes because fluoroquinolones are designed to block bacterial DNA replication by plugging up the enzyme that glues DNA back together after it's separated during cell division. mtDNA replication is very similar to bacterial replication. They damage eukaryotic cells too, likely through a different mechanism.
I've been interested in her ideas ever since close family contracted an autoimmune disease.
I'm affected by it so believe me if I say that I really wanted to find something reassuring, but the evindence is just not there.
I'm fully convinced that I would have been crippled by now if not for the dietary changes.
I mention this often in online discussions and usually get a lot of pushback. It's very strange to me how people can doubt that diet plays a MAJOR role in health.
They likewise get pushback from the name alone, but hopefully motivated people will look past that.
Need to look into it further to verify.
Thanks!
I don't know how you make your judgments but if you look at any intervention by Zsófia Clemens she will strike you as an obviously decent person, these people are not charlatans.
Also, this animal-based ketogenic approach is not unique to them, the "zerocarb" / "carnivore" community is also full of testimonials of people reversing various conditions, especially autoimmune disease. This high-fat approach tends to attract people who are in more difficult / urgent situations, such as late-stage, inoperable cancers.
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Brain fog is something I’ve suffered the last several years. Eventually got a diagnosis of autoimmune Sjogrens. Similar to Lupus.
A link between mitochondria and autoimmune has been of great interest to me as I battle to keep my wits.
If the contribution was significant, wouldn't we have seen folk tales about "if your mum goes mad, you'll go mad too!". Yet, as far as I know, no such tale exists.
the 97 movie version of the novel 'Parasite Eve' had tons of fire, too. Pyrokinesis was a major thing in the movie (and in the game); maybe the game wanted to portray a similar visual continuity to the movie?
The New York setting of the game was a lot more interesting than the back-woods Japan 'BioLab' style setting of the movie.
I have struggled my entire life with various disorders. ADHD, many symptoms of autism, depression, extreme loss of energy and lethargy. For a long time I thought that I had chronic fatigue syndrome after I grew very sick from a viral infection.
Everything everyone is saying here resounds very strongly with a mitochondrial energy problem.
Diet helps me a lot. I have tried many diet approaches, recently a high protein diet has really been working well. I dont know what is wrong with me, but something isnt right.
Anything beyond that seems to devolve into a never ending pile of research and sudo research.
Also, I can't remember the pinout of the midichlorians cable.
Here is my 2 cents based on some experience with the topic. Autoimmune manifestations may be just a normal reaction of the organism to dysfunctional cells on their way to apoptosis. Apoptosis occurs when the percentage of broken mitochondria reaches a certain threshold. So you get the inflammation. It may look like the organism attacks its own tissues by mistake - but actually there is a reason.
When the inflammation kicks in, it also affects surrounding healthy cells adding insult to the damage. You get some kind of progressing encephalopathy that eventually leads to neurodegenerative disorders.
A plausible treatment for such condition: inhibit inflammation while trying to restore the normal mitochondrial function.
A gentle way to inhibit the inflammation is to use nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs such as Acetylsalicylic Acid (Aspirin).
Restoring normal mitochondrial function is considered impossible if you have an inherited mutation in mitochondrial DNA (1 in 50000 of population). However this is a pretty rare condition while the most of mitochondrial manifestations (1 in 5000 of population) are acquired from environmental factors such as poisons, drugs, infections, nutritional imbalances.
The treatment for such an acquired mitochondrial dysfunction is two-fold: 1) eliminate the initial vector (poison, infection etc. 2) reverse the damage that occurred in mitochondria.
Infections, drugs and poisons are self-explanatory. The nutritional deficit is more intricate. But in case of mitochondria, it is basically covered by the Thiamine (B1 vitamin). The only gotcha is that you won't feel the effect with supportive B1 doses like the usual 2 mg per day. You would need therapeutic doses and a more bioavailable form for that to work, like 300 mg of Benfotiamine per day.
Now once that is covered, you would just stop the progression of mitochondrial dysfunction. But that may be not enough if it went too far. You might still have the apoptosis, the associated constant inflammation and the resulting degeneration.
What you can do to rejuvenate mitochondrial function is to use substances like Nicotinamide Riboside (100 mg per day). This is an efficient B3 vitamin precursor without the typical side effects of Niacin. It restores cell respiration by playing the role of an electronic transport in aerobic glycolysis pathway (Glucose + Oxygen -> ATP) which occurs in a healthy mitochondria. Nicotinamide Riboside is the preferred form of B3 because it also plays the role of a mitochondrial growth factor which is a big win in case of mitochondrial deficit.
Now once you combine all these methods, you may be onto something. By modulating the inflammatory response you win the time to restore the mitochondria thus avoiding massive cellular apoptosis.
By gradually restoring the mitochondrial aerobic glycolysis pathway, you are gradually reducing the associated lactic acidosis which also plays a huge negative role in neurological diseases. You break the viscous cycle of anaerobic glycolysis swapping it with a normal, healthy aerobic pathway.
If the damage to the tissues and nervous system is not too substantial, it may be a full recovery given some months of therapy.
Take it from someone who’s whole life has revolved around this topic for years: this is a huge deal, it’s real. There is a medical revolution in the pipes having to do with metabolism and inflammation. This article isn’t a scam.
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You can google FMD - the idea is to induce autophagy. This can be measured during the diet with some efficacy by measuring your glucose-ketone index. In theory, the body has the tools to clean and repair cells, including mitochondrial damage, through autophagy.
In addition to FMD, there are a number of autophagy supplements being tested following the 2016 discovery of the role of the cellular mTor switch. To me, the safety and science behind Spermidine is quite compelling. NAD+ plus precursors are compelling. Rapamycin, Metformin and other solutions that target the mTor pathway are also gaining funding and beginning more experiments.
Ketosis is important to the formula. Juv Labs recently introduced a di-ester exogenous ketone that is intended to promote ketogenesis in the liver, and produce endogenous ketones as well. Eating lower glycemic index foods (ie, down-regulate insulin) for a couple days while taking these supplements is a nice way to experiment with how your body adjusts to a ketogenic state. On the other hand, mono-ester exogenous ketones are more for exercise performance.
Lastly, the Bulletproof podcast is a surprisingly consistent (and understandable) source of biohacking and longevity information and discussion. Check out the recent discussion about NAD+ as an example. Rhonda Patrick's Found My Fitness is also an amazing resource.
Could you please elaborate and perhaps link relevant literature, I've been fascinated with inflammation
Had you told me a decade ago that stress could physically make you ill, I would have laughed at you. But having been down that road myself, I totally get it. In retrospect, it's weird how dismissive people are of this. Platitudes like "it's all in your head", while technically true, completely miss the point.
I hope something is in the pipes, but I'm skeptical of the timeline.
Energy level isn’t where I want it, but getting better.
Maybe there might some extra factor doing the real triggering such as the weather, etc, but I have noticed a clear correlation between lack of sleep and migraine.
Traveling to different continents for business trips often triggered a migraine at the end of the week.
If I'm working too much too late inot the nights for several days then I often get a migraine.
If I sleep poorly and wake up often due to my kids having a period of bad sleep, sickness etc, then I often have a migraine after a few days of this.
Drinking alcohol can also contribute as it makes the sleep less good and efficient.
Sumatriptan works if I'm awake when the migraine is starting. I recently started taking Erenumab, which also seems to be working to some extent (Severity of migraines is reduced).
The bioenergetic dysregulation could also prime for the emerging of [neurodegenerative disorders] (O’Neill and O’Driscoll 2015; Pugazhenthi, Qin, and Reddy 2017). Hyperglycemia, obesity and hyperglycemia could induce the extracellular amyloid b (Ab) plaques, hyperphosphorylated tau protein, neuronal loss, and cognitive dysfunction, while the Ab plaques might reciprocally induce [insulin resistance]. Together with the inflammation and oxidative stress, the hyperglycemic-generated advanced glycation end products (AGE) are also the critical cause of neurodegeneration (de Nazareth 2017; Pugazhenthi, Qin, and Reddy 2017). There is a decrease in the brian-derived neuro-trophic factors (BDNF) in both MetS and NDDs, such as Alzheimer’s disease (AD), Huntington’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, and depression (Motamedi, Karimi, and Jafari 2017). The concurrent mitochondrial dysfunction in obesity, T2D, and [insulin resistance] ultimately causes cognitive dysfunction (Pugazhenthi, Qin, and Reddy 2017). All these interrelated pathophysiologies suggest the common pathophysiologies of NCDs and NDDs. Prolonged bioenergetic dysregulation thus potentially contribute to cognitive dysfunction.
The tldr is you should go through periods of fed and fasted state metabolically (what they refer to as "pushing" and "pulling" energy into/from your body) - most Americans are constantly in the fed/pushing state which leads to metabolic dysregulation. Under this paradigm switching to a ketogenic diet would help restore metabolic function and lead to more time spent in the pulling state (due to lower insulin).
[1] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352475880_The_conti... (full text)
When not in a fasted state the ketogenic diet helps with the transition back and forth into a fasted state.
Based on what evidence?
> Physical exercise.
Exercise is usually great. Is there another type other than physical I don't know about?
> No sun screen in your face / around the eyes
And get wrinkles and skin cancer. Excellent!
> Throw away your sunglasses.
And get cataracts. Good one!
My apologies but these recommendations come across like the side of Dr. Bronner's soap bottle. Entertaining but I'm not sure how useful or scientific they are.
This is the 21st century. There's no one weird trick to being healthy, successful, having a high quality anything.
Biological systems are complex and don't have a single variable which needs optimizing, they have many, need many, and every variable with leverage needs to be thought as a part of a whole.
(Edited to correct terminology)
Yet, people love "one trick" wonder -- just go on YouTube and search for "golf swing" or "lose fat", it's so easy you don't even have to leave the house.
It is possible that there are many facets of reality that are simply outside the comprehension of human brain. In fact, is is likely that most reality is outside our comprehension.
It's possible that there are many facets of flight that are simply outside of the comprehension of human brain."
You could make this exact same argument for all technology until it's discovered.
That said, +1 for holistic approach.
Humans have a very surface level understanding of the our internal systems that make our bodies work, we know next to nothing about most of the ecological and environmental systems we also rely on. Everything from our external environments, to the things that enter our bodies to all the things that live in and on our bodies, all the things play a part in our health and functioning.
For example if someone wrote "Is Exercise the key to a healthy brain", it sure can look click-baity, but in practice it's a tried and tested lever to improve brain health. Sure, you can say "oh there are 10,000 other things that influence brain health and it's a very complex inter-connected system", but you miss the fact that not all of those 10,000 things are equally deserving of your time or even under your influence. In fact, things like exercise or meditation can fall under the "weird trick" category.
If focusing on mitochondria's health falls under that "outsized effect" category is the thesis of the article and remains to be seen if it can be included in the same category as other tried and true influential levers.
We see this over and over in press releases when new research is focused on one mechanism (e.g. mitochondria). To me "weird tricks" that capture whole body or lifestyle changes are at least worth paying attention to. While "weird tricks" in the name of a single biological mechanism are indeed overblown (but still worth knowing if you're in to that sort of information).
Whether mitochondria is just one mechanism or more of an over-arching one is what research is all about. For example, HRV feels like on obscure metric out of 100s of metrics. But it has been shown to now have hundreds of mental and physical benefits including longevity, that we don't necessarily understand why but it still has risen to the top. Same for intermittent fasting and so on. These are indeed "weird tricks" in a pretty literal sense but they do the job in predictable and often dramatic ways.