> Animals will catch what they eat, and catch no more than necessary.
I don't think that's true. Have seen many a cat catch mice to "play" with until they're dead and not eat even a nibble.
I don't think that's true. Have seen many a cat catch mice to "play" with until they're dead and not eat even a nibble.
On the human side: the problem is the producers (of meat/dairy) hide the torturous aspects from consumers by abstracting it away. We go to the store and get some chicken breast, steaks, or pork ribs, but we don’t do ANY of the work to prepare that animal. It’s prepared by underpaid/exploited foreign labor.
In contrast, even if a wolf killed a bunch of sheep for sheer pleasure: they are doing the killing, which takes energy. And if the sheep has a herd of rams with them the wolves might come out bloody themselves.
NOTE: I’m talking about factory farms and large scale production. There are farms which follow good, holistic procedures—where the farmers do care about the well-being of the animals and the cycle of life, even when animals are slaughtered.
I definitely think there's a disconnect between the average person and their food and it allows this sort of thing to happen more easily. I'm not sure what the right way to handle it all would be until we can 3D print all our food needs, but free range farms and farming animals that require less space (such as insects) are probably the best we can do currently.
Do you seriously believe majority of people will eat that?
I dont see a difference between mother killing prey for her cubs and butcher doing it for me.
I dont see a difference between farmer raising lambs and lion protecting his territory.
Is efficiency your only qualm? The only difference it makes is amount of life, not it's quality.
What's this quality of life horseshit? So if a person has "low quality of life" then i guess murdering them will get you a lighter sentence?
Sorry for using murdering as examples, I just dont have a better way to make the point.
Meat animals exist to be killed.
Please explain ketchup
> Murdering people is bad not because of some abstract causing of pain
Let’s just say it’s not, pain and suffering are still bad things youd want to minimize
You could say that the bad thing about death isn’t pain itself but the lost of life (otherwise an instant death would not be bad), based on the axiom that life is a good thing. You could also make your own axiom that only human lives are good.
> murder begets murder, making existence of organized society very hard and inefficient
So massacring uncivilized tribals that are not part of your organized society, like in the colonial days, is OK?
Do you eat ketchup without anything? It has little value on its own.
> So massacring uncivilized tribals that are not part of your organized society, like in the colonial days, is OK?
Am I back to country side? Why is there so much straw here?
Says one meatbag to another...
Well sorry, not sorry for trying to enjoy the only life that I have.
They're not constrained by thought or conservation, they're constrained by environmental limits.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372727/Thousands-p...
We can't control what orcas do in the oceans, but we can at least try to not be complete monsters to the animals we raise.
An instinct that humans have is to project their own kind of consciousness into animals. We imagine the world through their eyes, but from a human perspective. So some animals are wicked, others show love. But it is really unfair to project human expectations onto animals.