Isn’t that just a Ponzi scheme?
In a ponzi scheme, the perpetrators will not willingly directly reveal that it's a ponzi scheme.
In cryptocurrency, the perpetrators are honest and transparent about it being a ponzi scheme, but surround it in so much techno-babble that they make it sound like a ponzi schme is what you WANT.
There were ponzis some years back like OneCoin and BitConnect.
If you just have a large amount of a worthless asset and you convince other people to buy it on the market to pump the price up (mainly via social media and “influencers” these days) and then you dump it at the top then you have a…
I think this isn't quite right in all cases. I think some people know it's a Ponzi scheme and genuinely do want a Ponzi scheme. They just want to get in and out quickly. It's gambling. Sometimes you're a victim and you lose money, and sometimes it works out and you make money.
> If the price of IRON goes down from $1 (good) to $0.95 (bad), you just issue some TITAN (worth $65) to buy some IRON until it’s worth $1 again. And if IRON keeps going down, you just issue some more TITAN (worth $60) and buy more. And if IRON keeps going down … [you can fill in some more iterations here] … you just keep issuing TITAN (worth $0.000000035) and at that point you’re not accomplishing much. If you could sell 286 trillion TITAN at $0.000000035 each you’d raise $10 million. That’s probably hard. There are 285 million IRON (formerly worth $1) outstanding.
So probably not a Ponzi scheme but also not a scheme that was created by someone who can think two steps ahead.
What you're describing is what they tried (and failed) to avoid. How can you make it to the "I’m wondering if this can last mathematically?" part of this article and still think there's a mastermind behind all of this?
The main innovation is that there's no one to sue. The founders can just print themselves a bunch of coins and remain basically anonymous.
They also bypass regulation, because its on the web?
Regulators are asleep at the wheel. This entire category of 'technology' should have been snuffed out years ago for the good of us all. Now, look around us as GPUs and other chips are out of stock, cities face blackouts due to coin mining, and the major use of these coins is to fuel ransomware attacks that take down critical infrastructure.
All entirely pointless - or even outright negative - activity.
This is more like if you bought a lot of dollar bills that were 75% backed by gold and %25 backed by Dogecoin. They are comparable in that both keep working as long as no one tries to cash out, and money keeps coming in.
So...a Ponzi scheme?
They are comparable in one way however.
I think a lot of people saw The Wizard of Lies and "Ponzi scheme" is the only financial scheme they're familiar with, so it gets thrown around a LOT.
But yeah let's keep arguing over semantic definitions.
Usually the go-to lazy catchphrase is "we're just arguing semantics!" but "semantic definitions" is new.
These coins are ponzi-like in that only the earliest of adopters have any chance and only if they know enough to get currency out without hitting an inflection point that brings down the whole thing. But that’s where the similarity ends - the mechanism is different, they don’t operate like a Bernie Madoff and they’re honest about the whole process.
This is something else and while it’s Ponzi-like, it’s a different beast. I don’t think there’s anything particularly wrong with expanding the definition of Ponzi scheme for now, just so we have something to educate some irrationally exuberant retail investors…
This whole thread looks like someone saying "No, a boat is not a car" and the other going "but it does have an engine, right? It's a car. Let's not argue semantics"