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A plumber needs formal education, at least in Germany. Three years of it, to be exact. And then some more to run his own shop.

Also, 100 an hour sounds great. That is without taken taxes, social security, operational costs, fix costs an so into account. Those plumbers getting wealthy are running their own shops, small legit enterprises.

Final note: Any decent developer job I know of pays at least 3k, net, after taxes, social and medical insurance,... Enough to live a comfortable live. One without student debt, I might add.

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3K net is not that much. The whole point of working in IT in the US is that you shoot into the upper middle class levels of compensation. You are no longer a peer of a shopkeeper or a public official, you are now next to doctors and lawyers. You no longer have to balance your monthly budget, you manage your savings.

> A plumber needs formal education, at least in Germany. Three years of it, to be exact. And then some more to run his own shop.

Here's Europe's problem.

The same way you don't need 5+ years university education to put together whatever piece of hardware / software together, the same way I don't need studying hydraulic to put together hydraulic implements.

mind you the german education system is very different from the US/English one.

Germany (and many other european countries) has the idea of a trade school, in which one learns a trade. Usually these are combined with working experience in the form of apprenticeships. In my experience, continental europe has far more emphasis on early work experience compared to ango-saxon countries. An internship usually lasts a couple of years, people get payed a wage for the work they do and it is combined with schooling.

A plumber would be a prime example of the vocation which is using this kind of system.

people finish secondary education at an earlier age then in the US (16 or even 15 in some cases), then they transfer into tertiary education in a fachschule.

> A plumber would be a prime example of the vocation which is using this kind of system. > people finish secondary education at an earlier age then in the US (16 or even 15 in some cases), then they transfer into tertiary education in a fachschule.

Who the fuck know what they want to do for the rest of their lives at 15 or 16, most likely without having the possibility to re-invest 3+ years to change branch ?

> Germany (and many other european countries) has the idea of a trade school, in which one learns a trade.

And that is a problem. Want to be a plumber? 3 years education. Want to open a bakery? 3 years education. Want to work at a bank? 3 years education. Want to be a hairdresser? You guessed it right - 3 years education. Handwerker? No luck, 3 years education. Car mechanic? Forget it. It’s ridiculous.

Yeah, so rediculous that having that kind of vocational training basically gets immigration visas on its own in Canada and Australia. Having proper training apparently increases quality.

You really don't need any quality to immigrate to Canada (unless you are white).

> operational costs, fix costs an so into account.

These are tax deductible.

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