21st Century Baker's Tent
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Pretty sure The Outdoor Gear Review did a real world test of something very similar. They 'work' in that they do heat up, but they're a lot of work and get extremely sweaty when made from those non-breathable plastic survival sheets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJwvH90g3Yw
For a more in depth look at using more 'appropriate' modern materials, 'Simon, A Bloke in the Woods' has a decent series on making a Baker Tent from scratch:
For example, a breathable weave of that reflective coating on the inside of a tent might make it warmer rather you use a campfire or not and reduce condensation when compared to my garage built proof of concept made with off the shelf materials.
As to places where you can't have a campfire, I addressed that at the end of the post.
One of the things I didn't really talk about, but did show in the video a couple times, is that reflective bubble wrap I use for the floor of the tent.
That stuff makes a great pad for under your mattress pad or bag. It makes a huge difference when you're sitting or sleeping on cold ground and it protects your mattress from rocks and other small sharp hole poking stuff, folded up it makes an awesome pad to sit on, and it's pretty light.
Oh yeah! I spent a few nights in it on a gravel bar on Sylamore Creek in Arkansas and I didn't have a campfire because it was warm out. In the morning it was practically a downpour of rain when I got up and bumped the side walls.
On the plus side, when the sun came over us and burned off the fog the tent warmed up fast, and enough, to dry everything out very quickly.
But that was probably the wettest I've ever seen the inside of any tent get.
Any sort of weather conditions, exposure or ambient humidity would really reveal its weaknesses.
To poorly re-tell a joke from someone who has made been on dozens of expeditions around the world - the ultimate test of any tent is an autumn day on a camp site in a farmers field in north Wales.
DIY tents like this one are interesting and fun if you are into geeking on that sort of thing but honestly seem like a pain to set up and likely to have severe condensation issues (as others have mentioned) but, seriously, I appreciate the geekery here, just not my focus. I prefer to invest my camping DIY geekery on bushwhacking and cooking.
Wow!!
As a rule of thumb: It is easy to buy a backpack that is too big. It is nearly impossible to buy one that is too small. The experience of a traveler is in an anti-proportional relationship with the size of his or her backpack.
This being said, the best back pack I ever had was from Burton. I and I am still heart-broken that it got stolen. It is not produced anymore.
There was a EU based, tiny equipment manufacturer that actually produced backpacks for very tall people. I had some contacts in travel related business that could have brought it back on track. I asked if the owner is willing to let me buy into the business (I was interested in other niche products in his business) but he preferred to close it down.
Here are some of the most essential items for my setup (tested for ~2000 miles in various conditions, like the PCT/AT):
- HMG Windrider 3400 backpack (“just works” better than any other UL pack I have used)
- ZPacks 20F sleeping bag (hoodless is great!)
- Patagonia Houdini wind jacket (extremely versatile layer)
- Patagonia sun hoody (essential for skin protection, in my opinion)
- Uniqlo Heattech extra warm leggings (the greatest clothing item of all time) + Uniqlo down hoody jacket
- Fleece pullover hoody (almost any will do—comfort/extra warm item).
- Thermarest Neoair
- Gossamer Gear 1/8” EVA foam sleeping pad for protecting the Neoair and a zillion other uses (e.g. yoga/picnic/door mat, makeshift rain skirt)
- Tyvek groundsheet (cheap, indestructible, waterproof, becomes buttery soft over time)
- Carbon fiber trekking poles (the ones from Costco are cheap/good)
- AquaMira water treatment drops (the Sawyer squeeze filters deliver fresh filtered water, but they break/leak constantly)
- 2x 1L Smartwater bottles + a 2L Platypus bag
- MLD Patrol tarp with an inner tent or bivy (like this: http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=522791). That’s about 16.0 oz (incl. good stakes) for a versatile and storm-worthy(ish) double wall setup.
Also, my Patagonia sun hoodie is my favorite clothing item I own. I wore it for a week in the Mojave earlier this spring. I was cool and comfortable the entire week and didn't even get a tan on my arms, let alone a burn.
I owned a Hilleberg Nallo GT-class tent that did seem like the five-star hotel of tents, but when the zipper gave out after less than five months of use, I decided in future to simply go with an MSR Hubba-class tent that doesn’t feel much of a step down in comfort, and is less than half the price, so I can replace it if need be and still have spent less than I would for one Hilleberg.
If your zipper needs maintenance every time you use it, you need a different zipper.
Spending a few hours after a long trip to care for my gear is a great way to ensure it won't fail on the next trip. Especially with tent zippers, you don't want a failure in a storm as that could be unpleasant or even life threatening.
Instructions how to do this are in the owners manual in the maintenance section (although they recommend not using any grease, which I ignored).
I personally have used a BA UL2 which I loved although it was a bit too flimsy for my taste. Later I got the REI Half Dome SL 2+. "Ideal" is very personal with tents because you are always making tradeoffs but for me, my REI tent is perfect. Not so expensive that I worry too much about it, not too flimsy, decently light, very nice usability, backed by great warranty.
I have a new very lightweight tent I bought shortly before pandemic. Looking to try it out this fall.
Therm-a-Rests are a dependable brand in this regard, as while a leak may happen from time to time (I have had two punctures in about one year of sleeping outdoors), it is usually very easy to find the hole and patch it yourself, just like you do with a bicycle inner tube. I think Therm-a-Rest even includes the patch kit with some of its models now.
His answer: modern synthetic fabrics. In his childhood and early adulthood, raincoats were expensive, heavy, thick rubber and still barely worked. By the time he retired, they were thin, light, entirely waterproof, durable and cheap. Along similar lines, it's hard now to imagine life without elastic in socks and underwear, not to mention shirts made of modern sweat-wicking poly-cotton blends.
Honestly not sure of the best recommendations these days. And depends if you go above treeline and/or do winter backpacks.
For zero C (32 F), there are a lot of boots that are fine for day hikes. The main limitation of something like microspikes vs. full crampons is that they only work well up to a certain angle at which point they don't really work for hard ice.
You can't really go wrong with Sorels especially for non-high angle hiking. I've actually been an instructor in winter hiking programs.
There is no best tent. There are only your requirements and how much you want to spent. I have done well with throw away tents. Be on a festival during my trip, trash the tent, keep traveling without unnecessary equipment.
Second time, there was a guy leaving, left his tent behind. I run after him and asked him if I can have his tent, since mine was broken. He said sure. But even better he told me. There is a second, unused tent in the tent. This is what I call a professional. A guy with a backup plan.
me too, but I think that has been caused by my increasing familiarity with the subject. The more you know the more upset you get when someone does something stupid.
4-season tents are made to handle wind and snow accumulation, which this thing definitely would fail. It's a fun exercise for bushcrafting but don't kid yourself and think you can go 15k+ feet up a mountain and survive 50mph wind gusts like you could in a Hilleberg or other true 4 season tent.
I'm a big fan of tarps and tents with pyramid designs--the MLD trailstar is an awesome shelter that's proven itself well in windy, rainy Scottish highlands and is a favorite shelter for backpackers there: https://mountainlaureldesigns.com/product/trailstar/
I mean, it could be a cool design to play with but it has a somewhat limited range of usefulness.
In the 2nd video I didn't use any poles or sticks. I tied the upper corners to tree branches with string.
So, you're carrying two short poles and your hiking poles and string and pins to stake out the tent. That's not anymore than any other tent and less than some if you're carrying hiking poles too.
I'll also point out that in our Ozark forests you won't ever be 15k feet when backpacking and tree branches are abundant most everywhere here.
But, the real take away from this video should be that there's room to explore how these heat reflective materials might be used in cold weather backpacking clothes and tents. Not that a Bakers Tent is the best design, although it's a very good one for the Ozark forests and many other places, and for using that reflecting material.
I have to say you're mostly wrong about that. That tent design is a few hundred years old and about as proven as any design can get.
And I left that tent setup for about a month in my yard where that video with my grandson reading the temp was made during some pretty nasty weather. During that time we had a snowstorm that dumped about 5" of wet snow and the next morning when I checked on the tent the roof was sagging and the walls were buckling from the weight but it was still standing. I scraped and shook off the snow and it sprang back into shape.
I do doubt it would hold up in 50+mph winds on a bald peak but I don't know of any tent that can that would warm up to 80+ degrees on a below freezing day.
The point is there is no perfect tent for all conditions and most avid backpackers I know own more than one tent and choose them meet the conditions for the trip they're taking.
[1] http://ruralsportsman.com/rediscover-the-baker-tent/ [2] https://www.surviveoutdoorslonger.com/survive-outdoors-longe...
It's quite possible the author and I have different ideas of what a small backpacking fire looks like.
I use a layer of thicker branches about 3" in diameter first, then I use smaller diameter sticks in layers on top of that. When you light that off the smaller sticks burn down and create a bed of coals on the first layer that keep fuel burning as it's added.
By design that burns low and slow. I'm also burning deadfall from hardwoods, Oak and Hickory by choice, and because that's what's growing in our forest here.
The shitty fireplace in my piss poor excuse of an 80s designed house. It's almost as if it was included as a check mark in a real estate listing rather than how to make it useful.
Oh, I have plenty of those too! Luckily, in my neck of the woods, winters are more of rare occurrence. We typically only have extra summer followed by late fall before spring arrives.
(Cody throws in the "long-wave radiation" terminology for extra survival credibility points)
The reflective action is impressive. They also act as a wind break and turn whatever clothes you are wearing into a more effective measure against convective heat loss.
The poor thermal insulation and condensation were predictable. I hadn't predicted the shifting wind which chose to balloon my orange cocoon with cold air every 20 mins no matter which orientation I chose to lie in. I finished the night with a bungie cord around the sack, under my armpits. That of course left my head, shoulders and arms exposed but kept the wind out. Not recommended.
After this experience I upgraded to reflective mylar survival bags. NB "bag". These are a little harder to find than survival blankets but if a bag can be so badly affected by moderate wind, a blanket would be so much worse.
The range is a low of about 50--75W (1,000--1,500 kcal, effectively starvation levels), and a maximum ceiling of around 485W (10,000 kcal day, perhaps a elite endurance athlete). Well below 1 kW in all cases.
This reads as if to imply emergency blankets vent air freely, that's obviously not true.
I'm not sure exactly how effective the mylar blankets are and under what circumstances, but this is what "trapped air" refers to.
The main problem with these solutions AIUI is the trapped humidity.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CampingandHiking/comments/4wtetp/im...
It’s got a lot of the cottage gear manufacturers mentioned in this thread - part of the goal with building the site was to try to bring some awareness to their services!
The scouts at that time had a -100 badge, you got it when the low temperature with windchill for each night you camped added up to -100 Fahrenheit. We all got the badge that weekend.
P.S. I never knew that style was called a Bakers Tent.
I've got some motorcycle camping planned, and own an auger for that stove purpose, but was looking for a tent, and this looks super interesting.
If you have to in an emergency, then at least cook in the vestibule area (i.e. outside and away from the tent material) with lots of ventilation.
PS: I think it is essential to embark on any camping/backpacking trip with a mindset of adaptation/sacrifice. You have to be willing to make conservative or uncomfortable decisions in the name of risk management (e.g. trudging through a stream and getting your shoes wet vs. attempting a dry crossing on a precarious log, or resisting the warm noodle cravings during a rainstorm). Besides, it makes the experience of returning to civilization that much more exhilarating.
If you need to boost the warmth of your tent, boil some water outside, put it in a container, and keep that in your tent (being careful of scalding, of course).
Not certain which exact model is used - doesn't look like they're advertised as flame retarded? (most modern tents are)
https://www.surviveoutdoorslonger.com/shelters/heat-reflecti...
I am not an expert, and haven't tested it.
Edit: I see now, that PE seems to be in the doorway.
There is no way a properly built and managed fire like that will set that tent on fire.
And I did point out at the end of that post that you need to have campfire skills to do this safely.
It's best to just have a sleeping bag rated for the conditions. Gathering wood and stoking up the fire every 45 minutes is too much of a hassle.
What I've done is put the tarp down, put my stuff in the middle, and a blanket for myself on one side, then fold it over in a way that water flows off. Then I take a nice long rest until the rain is over.
I recommend car camping in bear country.
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/have-you-seen/2021/05/0...
A couple years ago he broke into a neighbor's RV and tore the kitchen to pieces. IIRC the RV was totalled.
You would probably be safe hiding inside one of them. Toter's website has videos of testing they did with a brown bear (possibly a grizzly). He fucks it up pretty good but doesn't manage to open it.
You might be more likely to die in a car accident involving a deer on the way to/from your outing, than to be killed by a bear during your outing.
Most knowledgeable folk believe that the best preventative care for bears is educated avoidance, and educating oneself on how to safely handle an encounter [3].
The takeaway from these statistics is not to say that one should be blissfully carefree. Rather, that one should be respectfully educated and pragmatic. It's their territory that we're traversing through, after all. The onus is on us.
It's good to seek mitigations, but it's not healthy to be so afraid. Education is a good antidote to fear! :)
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_...
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_t...
https://www.oztent.com/products/tent-range/oztent-range/ozte...
Who says this? Thoreau lived in a cabin and had his mother bring him food every day.
“ We had no sooner pitched our tent than the thunder-shower burst on us, and we hastily crept under it, drawing our bags after us, curious to see how much of a shelter our thin cotton roof was going to be in this excursion. Though the violence of the rain forced a fine shower through the cloth before it was fairly wetted and shrunk, with which we were well bedewed, we managed to keep pretty dry”. Page 99: http://www.thoreau-online.org/the-maine-woods-page99.html
“Our bed was made with as much care and skill as a roof is shingled; beginning at the foot, and laying the twig end of the cedar upward, we advanced to the head, a course at a time, thus successively covering the stub-ends, and producing a soft and level bed. For us six it was about ten feet long by six in breadth. This time we lay under our tent, having pitched it more prudently with reference to the wind and the flame, and the usual huge fire blazed in front.” Page 27: http://www.thoreau-online.org/the-maine-woods-page27.html
I didn’t find anything about a tent catching fire, but I only skim searched.
Depending where you are, if you can orient the face of the tent towards the sunrise that might warm it up some (so you could snooze a little longer).
I've never done that yet though so I can't say how much. Now I'm curious to know how much that will warm it.
Ah it is Fahrenheit, so 21 degrees Celcius...
(I'd thought Archive.is also balked, though that now seems to work.)