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So either you live in a place where human rights don't exist, or will be in an entirely new world of pain and humiliation once you are found out. And in the meantime, since can't own up to your snooping, you can't act on it at ALL without parallel construction, i.e. without being a liar and a cheat. What you gain by this is only valuable to those who can't lead and inspire. What you lose is invaluable yet unknown to you. Sad.

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Care to explain how a private employer collecting telemetry data on their own computer system whom the employees are paid to work on would be violating human rights and why would I feel pain or humiliation? We log everything in many situations. We also have full keylogging and all command logging via auditd. There is a lot of idealistic and childish responses to my approach, including yours. I’m not snooping anything by monitoring our computer systems in the way I do.

You treat people like toddlers, you can't even look them in the eye and tell them that, and then call me childish? Anything else, you anonymous coward? The fact that you can't tell that to the people you do it to says it all. No, I don't care to explain to you what was your responsibility to look into before you even put it into action.

> I’m not snooping anything by monitoring our computer systems in the way I do.

You just spoke of monitoring people, not systems. You spoke of "slackers". Now you're already backpedaling. I hope you get caught, and sued into the fucking ground.

What in the world are you talking about? You honestly believe I can be sued for monitoring employee activity on a private businesses computer systems? The level of entitlement expressed by some HN commenters is unbelievable. Snooping would be somehow spying on their private computer or information not their usage of their work system. We have every right to record everything and anything. I’ve actually considered expanding it to include periodic screenshots, maybe once per minute.

There is nothing for us to be “caught” you have no legal or ethical grounds. My guess is I’ve touched a nerve with you because you have realized if your manager could see such data then your scam might be up.

There are parts of the world where that is illegal, yes.

Really where? Certainly not in the United States and I don’t see any reason it should be illegal. Your an employee not a citizen.

This is illegal without employee consent in the EU and in most other civilized countries around the world.

Can you provide a reference for that? I am logging the employee’s use of the corporate computer system that they don’t own and are being paid to work on. That is total nonsense it can be illegal, there is zero legal expectation of any privacy on a private companies computer systems. Why in the world should there be?

In the EU, what you are claiming you do is illegal under the GDPR, you would be required to give prior notice at the very least.

See the "notice" section starting at bottom 3 of this for the lay persons summary on the notice requirement (or read the whole thing to see what laws around this look like in Germany) https://www.bakermckenzie.com/-/media/files/people/lutz-holg...

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