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Also leaving Freenode: FSF, GNU, plus Linux and Python support channels

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#python's "departure": https://gist.github.com/bensimner/8939ba5c9640f7ad2a310ba7e2...

This is probably the clearest example of rasengan's thought processes so far. It's remarkable how nothing he was told -- about why #python was moving, about what actually constitutes a "community" -- even registered, so bent was he on the idea that his "customers" were being taken away.

Jesus. As someone who used freenode a lot and still humps on it sometimes, it really hurts to see communities "burn" like this.

It's immoral.

The community still exists, it's just on Libera. Same people, same channel, different network.

I agree, but my memories are still from irc ;)

I'm glad they moved to libera, but this shouldn't have happened like it did in the first place.

Libera is an IRC network too! It's run by the same people who used to run Freenode! I agree it shouldn't have happened, but everything is intact except for the name "Freenode." It's not like they moved to Discord or something (well, there is also a very large Python Discord, but the IRC channel is around too).

Ah, i saw libera popping up but didn't check it out .

A comment where somebody mentioned that they would script their community back together made me think it wasn't irc and admins would replace their scripts to support the new platform.

It's still IRC.

The pro wrestling fan in me feels like freenode is purposely playing the heel to make people like libera. No idea why they would do such a thing, except maybe to drum up interest in IRC again?

But back in the real world. Some of the /. Comments are mentioning trademark infringement for seizing previously official channels. I wonder if any of the companies/orgs involved would care enough to bring their lawyers into it.

If so, it worked on me :) but I doubt it.

OT but did you watch the Andre The Giant special too? I'm not a wrestling fan at all but what an excellent story.

"Leaving" is a nice euphemism for "channel seized, group contact nicks k-lined, and ops handed over to random buddies of Andrew Lee".

I think the whole situation reminds me a little of what happens with the monetization of OSS.

Awesome developers create some OSS that catches on. They gain a huge amount of traction and goodwill. Monetization follows, forks happen. The OSS is forked into a crippleware "community edition", and a premium version.

Except in this case:

Numerous awesome folks create groups of communities on a service. They gain a huge amount of traction and goodwill. Rogue monetization effort follows, forks happen. Community flees a new not-so-benevolent dictator.

Such a sad situation, particularly for the folks that invested so much time in nurturing these communities, and the platform itself.

Is it sad? Or is it encouraging that people still have this choice? What if #python had been built on Facebook or Google Plus?

#python didn't leave IRC, they are just on a different network. Is this not the value proposition of open, decentralized and self-hostable services?

Perhaps I'm out of the loop but what does k-line mean?

A type of IRC ban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC_operator#Ban_Types

Note that in most modern IRC networks (such as freenode), klines are also applied to all servers, because it no longer makes sense to ban only from the local server.

I'm sure it's not really the projects. I have it on good authority that these are all splinter groups of provocateurs just trying to make people believe that projects are leaving, in order to harm Freenode and, by extension, all of open source.

Also, they must have hacked the FSF's web page. Can't see any other explanation for what's going on.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27299933

Won't you need medical attention now that your tongue has pierced through your cheek?

I hope this is satire. I can assure you that the Python project moved to Libera.

The link clarifies that this is satire. Upvoted.

Having followed this all a little too much (with a big bowl of popcorn), I must say: I don't think the people leaving are doing so because of who is in charge (modulo random channel seizures). They're leaving because because they don't want to worry about who is in charge.

Slash dot? That’s not a name I’ve heard in years …

lol what’s left at freenode?

forgotten znc sessions ^_^

This made me laugh.

Also, at least one eggdrop.

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