Do you understand it better when put like that?
When you talk about opportunities, what do you specifically mean by that?
It's still illegal for the rich by the way. At some point your bail will be denied by the court, if you're a repeat offender.
The most obvious example is that the very wealthy do not have to work. Their wealth snowballs at some point through investment vehicles and others manage their wealth. At that point you can do whatever you want with your life.
You and I on the other hand may not have that option. I'm in a high income bracket relative to most,, but I still rely on my labor (time), even if I live frugally. I have to spend a large portion of my life working to remain solvent in society. I could reject society and go out into the woods as a survivalist or become homeless but that's not a very desirable life for many to live.
To your example, let's say the offense is a speeding fine. If I get a fine for speeding, depending on the state and speed, you can accumulate these indefinitely. At some point it's just a fee to do something you want to do.
Let's assume that you can't speed indefinitely though, let's say it's a wreckless driving offense, well for me I'm out of options--after a ticket or two I'll lose my license to drive which is critical to my livelihood. I'll go to court for repeat offenses because I'm the driver.
What if I'm really rich and I hire someone to speed for me: a driver? As a passenger I have no legal responsibility, it's the driver. I could cycle through drivers willing to speed for me whenever they lose their licenses for wreckless driving. If I pay them enough, I guarantee you'll find drivers willing to speed regularly for you. The money goes back into the economy, sure, but using wealth, I've passed risks and liabilities off to others and inherently can do things others in society cannot. I've got you to trade your freedoms to drive to my desire to speed. Wealth has been used as a proxy to give rights someone otherwise wouldn't have. This is one silly example but there are many rights and laws that have no sort of co-conspirator offense wealth can buy away. We realized this with murder which is why you can be charged when you pay someone to murder someone else. Not all laws have these catches, buying co-conspirators rights.
Why is this a problem? People don't become wealthy through not working. Either they, or their parents or some of their ancestors worked to allow not working. What's wrong with that?
For what it's worth, the very poor can also avoid working and live off the government (obviously being poor and not working is a much shittier situation than rich and not working)
> Let's assume that you can't speed indefinitely though, let's say it's a wreckless driving offense, well for me I'm out of options--after a ticket or two I'll lose my license to drive which is critical to my livelihood.
That's pretty much how it works in my country. I believe the only exception is when you have governmental immunity and that has nothing to do with wealth.
> What if I'm really rich and I hire someone to speed for me: a driver? As a passenger I have no legal responsibility, it's the driver.
And guess what happens then? He will lose his driving license too and he won't be able to do this job anymore.
Maybe instead of flipping the entire society upside down you should simply improve the law to prevent such scenarios. It can be done.
Comparing this to murder is too much of a stretch to me.
Which is what I continually advocate for.
We need to patch these flaws and add mechanisms to patch future flaws more quickly because corruption is highly adaptive, we need to be as responsive as it is. We have an otherwise pretty well functioning system. Wealth should not buy you more rights in society, it should buy you luxuries and serve as a reward, not allow oppression, authoritarianism, and so forth.
I said some in another comment here:
Because if you let the inequality to get too bad, the millions of poor murder the rich, to restore the balance.
>“THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.”
― Mark Twain, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court
If you have a 90-100% estate tax, then the intended consequence might be "redistribute the money via the government" but the actual consequence is much more likely to be "most of the money is spent on luxury consumption, because why not?".
At lower levels of estate taxation intended and actual consequences might align better, of course. This is pretty specifically a question about calls for near-100% estate taxation, not a question about why there's an estate tax in general.
To maximize social developments, we reward those who create value for the society. If someone, via their own efforts and without stealing/fraud, generate a lot of wealth, they would have invariably added value to the society by creating a win-win for the buyers, employees and themselves.
When however someone born to a rich person inherits wealth, they are at an unfair advantage for something that they did not really accomplish, and not for any value they added to the society.
The world should aim to equalize opportunity for everyone (irrespective of who they are born to), and then reward them when they create more value than others from the same opportunity. Agreed that defining "equalized opportunity" is hard -- what all would it cover, health?, edutcation?, etc. However, even with some challenges here, this may be better than the current system.
The "use it or lose it" would make the wealthy put money back into the system, and automatic adjustments would result via supply and demand balancing. I understand that it would also increase wastage, and this would need some thinking through. My gut reasion however is how much money can the super rich really use and waste? Ultimately, even items bought by them but unused may be reusable by others (who ideally should not be their hiers at 100%).
For example, if I die, why shouldn't I be able to pass my house onto my children? Real estate is really goddamn expensive, so do you expect me to force my children into debt slavery just so they can afford a decent place to live?
Agreed. It cannot be abrupt. There needs to be gradations and caveats*.
>> why shouldn't I be able to pass my house onto my children
That should be reduced for equalizing opportunity for those children who are born without such a previledge.
Yes, I agree we love our own children more, naturally. That's a result of biological evolution.
However, social policies are inherently by nature aimed at balancing the good of individuals with the good of the society overall. (For sake of example, lairs lie as they reap some advantages out of doing so. However, we consider lying bad as it takes the society farther away from the optimal point of operation.)
We can't also take away what nature built, so self-interest or the love for children cannot be taken off completely. And that's how "progressive inheritance tax" would come back into the picture.
* Sample caveat: If a child develops some illness, a parent should be able to spend more on her/him. There are again different means to handle this too -- the two extremes being all children being treated equal irrespective of who the parents are, children of God, one may say :-), and then insurance or government funds handle such caveats. The other extreme is where parents solely help the children. The answer I believe lies somewhere in the middle of the two extremes.
So should I be able to pass my house to my children or should it be taken away from them simply because they have a "privilege"? Because there would be zero fairness in doing that.
> However, social policies are inherently by nature aimed at balancing the good of individuals with the good of the society overall.
I understand that. The problem is that I don't see how this particular social policy would be a positive to society. As GP pointed out, "you're effectively telling people to spend all their money on frivolous luxury items because they can't pass it on to their children anyway."
I guess as long as you don't take my stuff away I shouldn't have any reason to be against it, but as this policy fails miserably and you realize that it didn't solve all of our problems, you're going to come after me as well, so my final answer is no, I'm against it.
However, I feel that this is often rejected too soon. :-)
Help devise what could be a better policy that tries to equalizes the opportunity to all newborns. I think such a policy could have exponential impacts on the society.
Such a proposal cannot be introduced on a given day and applied to all. It can only be a slow implementation done over say two generations.
People would need to see it coming, take that into their understanding and calculations as they move towards it.
In other words, grandfather clause would need to be there.
I think it’s generally accepted that there should be a minimum threshold for the estate tax. You can consider it to be implied unless specifically stated otherwise.
IIUC, basically no one with significant estates actually pays the estate tax, so I don't think this actually matters, but estate taxes are good because dynastic wealth is the absolute worst.
> The growing disposition to tax more and more heavily large estates left at death is a cheering indication of the growth of a salutary change in public opinion....
> Of all forms of taxation, this seems the wisest. Men who continue hoarding great sums all their lives, the proper use of which for public ends would work good to the community, should be made to feel that the community, in the form of the state, cannot thus be deprived of its proper share. By taxing estates heavily at death the state marks its condemnation of the selfish millionaire's unworthy life.
> by all means such taxes should be graduated, beginning at nothing upon moderate sums to dependents, and increasing rapidly as the amounts swell, until of the millionaire's hoard, as of Shylock's, at least "_____ The other half \ comes to the privy coffer of the state."
- Andrew Carnegie, Wealth, 1889
If you have a personal wealth more than $10 million (or whatever the estate tax exemption limit is/will be), then yeah, you should spend some of it on stuff that you think is worthwhile. It doesn't need to be a fast car - Carnegie was into libraries.
People will easily find a way to pass wealth to children. Naive example:
1. Register company in kid's name.
2. Buy a penny from his company for $1B.
3. Die peacefully.
If it is a useless scheme that would indicate that it doesn't actually save taxes by illegal means. If true, that means it is not fraud.
Otoh, if it does allow you to save taxes illegal, then it is not useless and could also be counted as fraud.
So it cannot possibly be useless and fraud at the same time.