I don’t understand why people are so surprised... socialism doesn’t really accept the premise of private property, private land ownership, etc. Why are we surprised when they ignore international views of land, sea and intellectual property rights?
China has no respect for boundaries but demands others to respect theirs so it's not like they don't care. They do care all right, a bit too much actually if you ask Vietnam and the Philippines...
It's just a matter of what they can get away with. China is flexing its power and it will fill any void (ie Africa) where it can see an opportunity to exploit. It's not like other countries haven't done that before but China is now eager for resources and influence and they are big...
source: was born in a former socialist/communist country.. both former "socialist" and former country.
China has been socialist since the communists won the Chinese civil war in 1949.
China employs capitalist methods in order to further its productive capabilities in order to complete it socialist revolution. Ultimately the Chinese communist party has full and final control of all property. In other words Chinese “capitalism” does not entail private property rights as are guarded in constitutions in other countries.
Educational material:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_chara...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Revolution
https://www.learningfromchina.net/why-china-is-a-socialist-c...
Private property rights are only for the good of the state. What laws exist, are for the good of the socialist system, and can be amended by the communist party at any time. Chinese courts do not have the power of judicial review and cannot invalidate a statute on the grounds that it violates the constitution... ie China is a totalitarian system.
“Private property” in China is for the benefit of the state. The basic tenant of Chinese government... “From each according to their ability, to each according to his needs” means redistribution is always in the hands of the state.
READ the educational material!
Again, China's 'socialism' is very different nearly all variations found in Western Democracies.
Private property under China is fundamentally different. The communist party can redistribute it any time. You can’t sue the Chinese government to get your property back, as they can amend any laws at will.
So it being different than European communism doesn’t meant it’s not socialism.
China is socialist under their own definition of socialism. Yet they have heard the siren song and have been steadily marching closer to a state-aided crony capitalist system that resembles Russia's current system, but much better managed.
When did I say that? I never did. China is Socialist AND Totalitarian.
> China is socialist under their own definition of socialism
"Socialism:
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."
And PLEASE read this before replying:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_charact...
From the article:
> in July 2011 President Hu Jintao stressed that ‘China is still in the primary stage of socialism and will remain so for a long time to come’ (Xinhua, 2011)
China is very very interested in progressing the socialist and finally communist agenda. Believing otherwise is ignorance.
Show me the equivalent of the 5th amendment in Chinese law protecting private property rights. And please don’t forget... Chinese courts do not have the power of judicial review and cannot invalidate a statute on the grounds that it violates the constitution... ie China is a totalitarian system.
And READ the educational material before commenting!
This is the amendment you asked for: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/mar/16/china
The laws are only to promote production to increase the country's productive output. At any time the government can strip you of your property and redistribute it... which HAS happened numerous times already, without recourse, not appropriate compensation.
How can you possibly argue that faux property laws mean the country is not socialist??
The sooner the wider community accepts that China is a totalitarian regime with a long term communist agenda, the sooner we can stop allowing them to take advantage of the international community.
Property theft, land and sea right violation... corporate espionage. All are part of the official Chinese communist party aims.
> Yet China’s courts cannot invoke the constitution in rulings, so such a change will offer limited legal protection to peasants
https://www.cfr.org/blog/chinas-retrograde-rural-land-polici...
How China’s Legal System Enables Intellectual Property Theft
https://thediplomat.com/2020/11/how-chinas-legal-system-enab...
Human Rights Practices: China
https://www.state.gov/reports/2020-country-reports-on-human-...
Seriously?
>And READ the educational material before commenting!
Seems like a real condescending way to reply.
I can only come to the conclusion that social media is a net negative on society, since I can’t help educate ignorance, and people are unwilling to educate themselves when they have firmly held beliefs.
Social media simply allows people to become more entrenched. And some people will view this comment as the same, a form of relativism. The difference that social media comments gloss over, is there are often truths vs falsehoods. Facts vs prejudice. Social media makes it too easy to confuse the two.
HN... you are more of the same. Like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc etc. Unless these websites take measures to actively mod dis-information, they will be a net negative.
Don’t get me wrong. It’s definitely debatable how China’s socialism has evolved, what elements of Capitalism it now uses. What it’s future path holds. But no textbook, no Encyclopedia will claim that China is not socialist. To do so is not only ignorant, but in the current climate aids a propaganda narrative that continues to allow massive human rights violations.
It’s time social media sites say that user base size, absolute profits, etc are not more important than facts. More people get their information from social media than textbooks, educational systems, and primary sources than ever before.
Democracies which require informed citizenship cannot survive in such circumstances.
The writing is on the wall all around us. Let’s educate ourselves before we fall into darkness
“The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance.” — Carl Sagan