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> Managers simply cannot hire people just to fire them because they do not have the final say in who gets hired and who doesn't. They can offer an opinion, the same as all the other 4-5 interviewers in the round, and then the bar raiser makes the final decision.

Having been part of debriefs, this is not correct. Bar Raiser is there to help the panel make a decision, not be the sole decision maker.

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Bar Raiser may not make the final decision, but he/she can block a clearly bad hire.

Yes, perhaps I should have clarified. BR can only use the veto to make a HIRE to NO_HIRE decision. He doesn't have the veto to make a NO_HIRE to HIRE decision.

Not quite.

Source: Am bar raiser.

While bar raisers can't make hiring managers take a candidate they don't want, they can absolutely "veto to hire" for Amazon.

It just means that Recruiting needs to find another team, which the candidate is not guaranteed to be interested in. And that team's manager will also want to interview the candidate, so an offer is not guaranteed again.

In other words, you can recommend recruiter to see if any other team wants to hire the candidate. Which makes sense from perspective of all. But you can't "veto" to hire which makes no sense.

Yes, agreed. I meant BR can't veto to hire for that team without HM being inclined.

i.e. without a collusion in people across teams "Hire to Fire" will not work. and for the problem to be systemic, collusion should be happening between thousands of people.

What I think is more likely is that managers are ready to take 90% candidates with hope of grooming them because they have a fallback if it was a wrong decision. Which is a positive thing in my 2c opinion.

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