Fine, but if any company makes me wear a mask for 8 hours, I am out of there. Work remotely or come to a normal office sure.
This helps you be more cautious and careful (e.g. I'm saving your life here). Companies may get complain and let people work from home. It's a win for me and for you.
Apple employees: when Tim Cook is around, just fake a cough politely.
No need to invest in a blood capsule.
Even with vaccine, there is 1-2% to contract covid. Even you can't die, you will still be scared to give it to your kids.
No matter how low the risk is, most people wouldn't gamble their kids' lives over "commute to office".
Please help me cough.
Especially with children, learning non verbal communication is very important.
You're right. There's absolutely no way kids could learn non-verbal communication if they had to wear a mask for several hours a day. It's not like literally everyone in Japan and China has been wearing face masks for 20 years.
Most of my Japanese coworkers take their masks off at their desks these days. People don't like wearing masks all day, even when it was already part of the local culture they grew up in.
I don't know how masks will affect non verbal communication. I imagine the next generation will come out of this having adapted more to detect expressions in the eyes and shifts in the corners of the face. For children with severe ASD I would expect it to seriously impede their growth in interpreting facial expressions.
So, 50% of the kids don’t want the socialization.
Part of childhood is doing things that adults insist is good for you even if you don't want to.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4235829/
There are plenty of people who have found remote work much more productive and others who are really wishing they could be back in the office. I hope that employers take the pandemic as an opportunity to learn about different working styles and create more flexible working arrangements that can accommodate all types of people.
But my parent comment was specifically with respect to the business about part of school being the socialization stuff, and if it's relevant whether or not your kids "want" that.
Though part of it is definitely also that our parents all boiled them, and bitter or otherwise, they're just plain better when broiled or pan-fried.
My comment was about this mythical socializing that kids presumably needs so much.
Not all of them do.
School as an institution exists to free up housewives to participate in the workforce and maximize employers’ profit while preparing cheap workforce by giving a minimal education to the kids. Any benefits for the children are secondary - let’s not buy in too much into the PR.
Minuscule (if we just take it at face value) is not the same as none. If a kid dies then there is a risk. Plus it depends on what I consider to be high risk. If a kid dies from preventable causes then for me that’s high risk environment.
Kids also spread the disease even we ignore the risk for them. So that means that it’s an increase of the risk for everyone else. Kids also interact with their grandparents in a lot of cultures quite frequently which is the highest risk group.
Mask decrease the probability of spreading or contracting COVID.
This isn't a useful classification; literally everything we do has some risk. 300 Americans under 18 have died from Covid (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-...), which is insignificant when compared to deaths from accidents, and not much higher than pre-Covid flu deaths (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-2020/2019-20-pediatr...).
Kids also interact with their grandparents in a lot of cultures quite frequently which is the highest risk group.
At least in the US, their grandparents should have been vaccinated months ago.
The risks are lower, not miniscule. Some are also vulnerable to MIS-C. Masks do not stop covid for adults either, should adults stop wearing masks? (No.) Children are also potentially infectious.
San Francisco sits at 60% fully vaccinated with most of the Bay Area in the same range; only Solano County lags very far behind at 39% fully vaccinated.
If between now and September, we can’t get society vaccinated to the point that kids can attend school 5 days a week without a mask, then we either need to do some full on Union busting or it’s time to start leaving the unvaccinated behind and let them take their lives into their own hands. Will that suck for those that for some reason can’t? Yes, but we can’t keep society in a holding pattern for them forever.
There's a man in Romania who did three different vaccines (by lying) and wanted to do more before he was arrested.
Subject: You're a subhuman, worthless, imbecile maskie
> Wear it forever, you worthless, subhuman animal who doesn't deserve to live.
This culture war is getting out of hand. Imagine sending something like this to a stranger because of their clothing choices.
Since this will take a long time, the government can kill two birds with one stone by bulldozing every school in the country and building 130-story skyscrapers full of affordable housing on their sites, solving both the school question and the housing problem at the same time.
also, you point at Iceland. Do you understand that the people there don’t have the generic diversity you normally have in other places? How would you feel if the parent of another kid at your school died of covid as a result of your little one passing it around?
In fact, my first actual exposure to wearing a mask was less than 3 weeks ago when I traveled to Sydney. TBH, I don't know what the big fuss is about.
you're totally right, let's just never trust any vaccine or medical developments due to anomalous chance of failure. in accordance to this, i pledge to never leave my home until i leave this barren earth.
Besides, measures like masks also affect many other diseases; this recent winter they were effective enough to reduce influenza-related deaths by over 95% compared to the year before.
A little hard to chalk that up to masking alone given all the other drastic societal changes. What about WFH and distancing?
The COVID vaccines really are so good there’s not much reason to take extra precautions as long as you’ve gotten one. Variants don’t even matter since it’s not the flu.
[1] Table 1b. Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccination Against Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infection in https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...
"Routine childhood immunization: 2 doses of any measles-containing (MMR or MMRV) vaccine. The first dose of measles-containing vaccine should be administered at 12 to 15 months of age and the second dose at 18 months of age or any time thereafter, but no later than around school entry."
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications...
Many school boards require it, along with DPTP, hep-b, and others. Maybe it's a socialized medicine thing?