Edit: At Amazon that may be true, but OP's statement seemed much wider than that.
West coast employers never cared.
I’m in finance now and doubt any of the senior partners could pass drug tests for cocaine much less something as banal as marijuana.
I was a marijuana user at the time, so I took a competing offer that paid less (though ended up being a much better fit for me -- still with the company now 11 years later)
https://www.vice.com/en/article/3bjbgn/fake-drug-test-foilin...
http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/hemp/urine-saga.html
Conclusion
At both urine tests I've taken (the practice test at the University of Maryland Health Center, and the real drug screening test for Xerox at Bethesda Roche Labs), the person in charge didn't want to let me submit to the test. Both times, I had to ask their supervisors to override their decisions, appealing for special permission to piss in a bottle. I was always forthright about my belief that urine testing is a violation of my privacy, even though I was compromising my principles and submitting to the test anyway.
The way I've been treated in both cases confirms my belief that urine tests are intended to discourage people like me from even applying in the first place. Unfortunatly Xerox didn't notify me of their drug testing policy until after I had applied for the job, been accepted, and chosen a project. Had I known about their drug testing policy in advance, I would have acted on what I believe, by never applying to Xerox for employment.
The people who administer my drug tests treated me as if they didn't expect people like me to ever submit to them, unless we're crazed criminals trying to cheat our way into urine sensative positions. Anyone with the integrity to refuse a urine is in the same class as unqualified applicants and drug abusers: unfit to work at Xerox. The only drug abusers Xerox will employ are those unscrupulous enough to cheat on the test (which is certainly possible despite the chain of custody procedure followed by Roche Labs).
If you don't want you or your children to be treated this way, please help end the drug war!
http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/hemp/xerox-letter.html
Dear Mr. Allaire:
In February of 1990, I applied for a summer internship at Xerox PARC by sending in my resume along with recommendations from Ben Shneiderman (faculty and supervisor), P. S. Krishnaprasad (faculty), Mitch Bradley (supervisor), Gudrun Polak (supervisor), and Mark Weiser (faculty, supervisor, and CSL lab director).
I was accepted and invited to join PARC for the summer, and given a list of three projects proposed by groups that wanted to sponsor me. I was excited by all three, and Christian Jacobi's proposal meshed perfectly with my interests and experience. However, when I discussed the position with Eric Bier, I learned that to qualify for the job, I would have to consent to having my urine collected and tested for evidence of drug use.
I object to not being notified of the drug test until after I had applied for the job, been accepted, and chosen a project. The announcement of summer internships at PARC broadcast to the Internet should have mentioned the drug testing requirement, along with the resume and reference requirements, so that I would have known not to apply to Xerox in the first place.
Because I wanted to work at PARC, and I had already gone through much effort to qualify for the job, I took the drug test, against my principles, and passed. I regret taking the test, compromising myself, and selling out to a company that does not respect the privacy of its employees.
I went to Roche Labs in Bethesda, Maryland to submit to the test, where I was treated rudely by the lab technician. She refused to administer the test, but after two hours her supervisor finally intervened and I was permitted to drain my bladder into a specimen jar. I related the details of my experience to Bill Skinner, and he requested that Bethesda Roche Labs be removed from Xerox's list of approved urine collection agencies. But, unfortunately, he could do nothing to address the real problem that most troubles me: Xerox's ill-conceived urine testing policy.
Screening for drug use before employment is an ineffective method of providing a drug free work place. It also invades my privacy, casts doubt on my integrity, and violates my dignity. The policy makes it harder for Xerox to hire good honest people, because it discourages them from even applying for the job. Had I known that Xerox had such a policy, before I had otherwise qualified for and been accepted to the job, I would have been sorry, but would not have wasted my time.
Even though I passed the drug test, and am completely qualified for the summer internship at Xerox PARC, I must turn it down because of the drug testing policy. I couldn't feel good about working for Xerox after the violation of my privacy, the ordeal I've been through, and the lack of respect I've been shown. The decision was a painful one: regardless of the cloud of urine testing hanging over it, Xerox PARC is a most prestigious place, where I could have been exposed to many great ideas, and met some of the best people in the profession.
I wish I could have spent the summer at Xerox PARC, but instead I have taken a full time job at Sun Microsystems, a company that respects its employees enough to provide a drug free work place without invading their privacy. I won't be looking for other employment in the forseeable future, but I would be delighted to hear when Xerox has changed its drug testing policy. Until such a time, I hope that potential job applicants learn about the policy before they decide to apply.
I sympathize with my colleagues who work in positions they would no longer be willing to accept on moral grounds, and who have been forced to compromise their principles because of other responsibilities.
"What are politicians going to tell people when the Constitution is gone and we still have a drug problem?"
-- William Simpson, A.C.L.U.
Sincerely and regretfully,
Don Hopkins
However, the "Urine Czar" Dan Calvin refused to test me because he falsely claimed there was a policy of not testing students who volunteered to be tested, because some of them just wanted to know if they were clean for other tests they were required to take.
After a long frustrating abusive argument in which he kept interrupting me to prevent me from reading a Scientific American article to him that contradicted his lies, he conceded he couldn't counter my arguments, but tried to discourage me from taking and passing the test then turning down the job by claiming that "whatever I did, it would only be a drop in the bucket, and wouldn't mean anything".
I told him that at least it would be a drop in the right bucket.
Then I went over his head, told the director of the Health Clinic about my interaction with him, and she personally walked me down and gave me my urine test immediately, for free.
http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/hemp/urine-czar.html
>I told him that I have been told by many Xerox PARC employees that they would walk, if Xerox instituted random drug testing.
>He said he didn't think they would, that people just talk a lot and never acted on what they believe. He said that Xerox could just hire more people.
(Check out the photo of the Urine Czar's coffee mug on top of his urine storage locker! His official day-to-day duty was observing the penises of college athletes while they urinated into cups, to make sure they didn't cheat. Great work if you can get it, huh?)
When I took the official test at Roche Labs, the lab technician treated me like a criminal, which I described in detail here, but I don't have the inclination to summarize it in detail, because it was so humiliating and physically painful:
http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/hemp/roche-labs.html
Again, I had to go over her head to force her to let me take the test, exactly like at the University health center. She even refused to let me use her phone to call her superior, so I had to walk out to the street and use a payphone, all this while really needing to pee extremely badly. Her superior called her back and forced her to administer the drug test against her will, during which she treated me with spite and contempt.
I passed both tests, then wrote and faxed a letter to the CEO of Xerox Paul Allaire, telling him my story and turning down the job.
When you're pissing in the right bucket against the will of people who want to force you to piss in a cup, it's best to piss as hard and as much as possible.