“In the 2021 New Yorker article, reporter Gideon Lewis-Kraus writes that after talking with Elizondo, it was difficult to tell what AATIP had accomplished, and when pressed, Elizondo "invokes his security oath like a catchphrase". When in 2019 Elizondo was interviewed by Tucker Carlson, Elizondo stated that the government had fragments of a UFO, "then quickly invoked his security oath".[4] Colavito writes that Elizondo "still speaks of demon cabals, otherworldly beings, and UFOs operating beyond human perception — just not on 60 Minutes", and characterizes Elizondo's claims as "bad science and dangerous as government policy, the kind of magical thinking that leads to lunacy and disaster".[30]”