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Why? Wouldn't it be good to have the same high standard of rights an protections in the US?

edit: Unless you mean you'd still don't want any data shared with the US which I can understand.

Not OP, but we keep reading articles about US spy agencies illegally spying on americans so I don't trust them not to break the law to spy on us as well.

That's funny, because the latest news headlines were about European spy agencies illegally spying on Europeans

The difference is that we (both as people and countries) have more tools to deal with governments/european countries that spy on us, but we can't vote american governments out of office. The EU can apply pressure to denmark to stop collaborating with the NSA, but can't realistically pressure the US.

I guess you refer to what happened in Denmark? If so, your summary sounds wrong to me. US leveraging Denmark spying infra to spy on other EU states would be more accurate.

I am not saying the Danes were not aware of the risks when they gave the key of the kingdom to the NSA, but still.

Edit: spelling

Even if new laws don't pass and the data is not shared with the US, what is stopping NSA from farming your data in some other EU country that is willing to cooperate?

Did you mean Europe? Because the laws will likely be the same for all of the EU. If you meant another country in the EU who will break the law for the NSA that would not be easy to stop.

Maybe the NSA can ask Russia. That's part of Europe too!

Danish intelligence allowing the NSA to use one of their facilities? I wouldn't say the US was not involved in this one...

And? That changes that European governments are illegally spying on Europeans... how?

Your argument was a tu quoque fallacy anyway, so there is no need to discuss this further. You merely chose the wrong example to backup your fallacy, but you could have chosen the UK GCHQ instead. It doesn't change the gist of your "argument" anyway.

The whole point of US spy agencies _is_ to spy on non-Americans...

It would be bad intelligence to not spy on Americans considering how easily we are bought by other interests. The soviets had moles in every branch of federal government, and governments like china and russia no doubt still do.

So all the more reason not to send data to the US to not make it easier for them

I don't trust the US to not abuse the data. Laws or no laws.

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