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Been working with it for the past 15 years, and made a good business on it. It's relatively easy to create a hardened install that will -most likely- not get hacked. Slap a caching solution on it and performance is not a problem.

Name me an alternative CMS frontend that any client can use to update/create content (without learning Markdown) and visually design a page with pre-defined blocks, that doesn't cost $200+ a month.

If only they would include a localisation solution, I could say goodbye to slow and cumbersome WPML.

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$200+ a month?! What's your setup? You can easily do less than $10 per month if you cache and CDN properly: https://www.concurrencylabs.com/blog/handle-thousands-of-use...

I obviously don't pay that for my setup. I was talking about decent alternative CMS'es which are easy to use, dynamic and flexible. Like for example contentful, strapi, dato, etc.

Webflow, squarespace, etc will do that for 1/10th that price.

Both have vendor lock-in though. A WordPress site is portable, it runs on anything with PHP and MySQL. SQspace and Webflow only run on their own servers.

Webflow has zero lock-in. It spits out static sites with standard semantic HTML/CSS and you can take the code anywhere. They also have an API, so you can export collections.

Squarespace, yes, you're locked in.

Re: the portability of Wordpress, I'm not sure how many Wordpress site migrations you've done...but I wouldn't use the word "portable" to describe the process.

Webflow HTML on its own is useless because it is not dynamic. You still have to set up code snippets inside the markup so it can display the menu, or post and page information stored in the database or flat files of whatever CMS you're using.

Webflow CMS solves that problem, but with vendor lock-in.

Webflow is ok, but you still need to customise a ton by hand and it gets slow really quickly for a decent site. Squarespace is way too locked in.

I've recently setup a multisite solution for localisation of a WordPress project. Definitely needs a bit longer to setup properly, but it's so much faster than wpml.

Craftcms is excellent.

Craft is indeed a decent alternative. I haven't tried v3 but v2 was horribly slow on sites with a lot of custom fields.

v3 is snappy and the built in caching mechanisms can help a lot with performance.

It is flexible, fast, and secure - especially on a host that specializes in craftcms - like Fortrabbit - and combined with cloud flare.

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