"Irssi does not take a political stance"
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Funny, I feel like I JUST saw something like this happen somewhere else...
In all likelihood, they probably just had their commit access revoked, or are just hiding their membership as part of the organization.
[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20210224203331/https://github.co...
My bad, I didn't know that was a thing.
We're not getting off Freenode because we don't like Andrew Lee's politics, we do because we have no faith at all in his skill as a network operator.
Frankly, Lee wishes this was a right vs left thing.
I find it disturbing that the far right, followed by the conservative right and more recently by the economic liberals could do this as they wished for almost 15 years, and when social liberals do this, there is that much pushback.
I mean it is not fair. I understood what the fascist where doing five years ago, and pushed anarchists friends from my youth to do the same on their side, and they did. And i was probably not alone in this (hence the "eat the rich" and "property is theft" narratives coming back in MSM). Liberals probably understood it even earlier and started this "cancel culture" stint. It is just pushback. Why would you be worried for a political ideology pushing back?
I think cancel culture is okay and fair game.
> I understood what the fascist where doing five years ago, and pushed anarchists friends from my youth to do the same on their side, and they did.
I mean, my view is: I was against this when the right did it; I haven't stopped being against it when the left started doing it. It's not like I tolerated it from the right any more when they tried - or try - to do it to spaces I hang out in. But socially, I just don't have much overlap with the right wing. As a result, I tend to mostly worry about the left doing it, because the left doing it is what actually impacts me.
edit: And honestly, I thought we had an agreement about this? In the US, the left is even called the "liberals". Like, I thought there was a broad agreement that the left wing wasn't going to be doing this sort of thoughtcrime, othering, bad opinions = bad people, exclusion instead of argument bullshit. But apparently any weapon that's good enough for the right is fine for the left? We cannot allow a cancel gap, I guess. Bah. Used to be I thought the left was better.
But. I think some people out to drive wedges are working overtime to frame a specific subset of "cancellation" as a civilizational threat.
Over the ~decade this has been trending as a narrative I've heard _many_ people all over the left-of-center ideology map _publicly_ express discomfort, disapproval, or outright opposition to this behavior. This isn't a meme spreading _without resistance_.
I don't think it is strategic to help habituate ~management to sacking people when they feel attacked, but I recommend being very skeptical of anyone who agitates on this without labor rights/law/power and ~management's role in the dance all inside their frame. (I realize this isn't a broad solution... more of a razor for separating good faith from bad.)
"Serial harasser/molester finally gets exposed and rightly shunned from a community" cancel culture, "people get fed up with a toxic person's decades of misbehavior alienating minorities from a community" cancel culture, and "artist gets mobbed for unknowingly making some artwork that offends sensibilities" cancel culture are not the same thing. However, those targeted in cases similar to the former love to lump it all together in an attempt to deflect any and all earned criticism.
0: https://github.com/irssi/irssi/commit/1ba48840a112dfacf13cbb...
Log of my interaction with Geert: https://paste.debian.net/1198991/. It's been edited to remove join/parts.
My take: the irssi community has not made a decision to move from Freenode to Libera. The commit pointing the default network from Freenode to Libera was thus premature. The revert title could have been worded better.
All it had to say was "reverting as this was premature".
Even better "irc.example.com" to never make it a problem again.
https://github.com/irssi/irssi/commits?author=GeertHauwaerts
Everything is political. The conscious decision to stay put is as political as everything else.
What they want to say is: "We don't want to get involved in this and save our face while doing so"
I wouldn't go that far. Irssi could have not taken a political stance, by ignoring what happened and not committing last week's change. But now that that's done, reverting it was political too. You can avoid a political issue, but once you ring the bell, you can't un-ring it.
anyone that thinks most decisions are apolitical are living in a vacuum tube or are just too privileged to give a shit. too many ppl in tech dont want to put themselves in another’s shoes
I agree that the revert we're discussing did this and so was political. I'm saying that in the hypothetical world where this commit didn't exist but neither did last week's that it reverted, there irssi truly would be apolitical still.