So, what gives? Is it supposed to demonstrate the regime's ability to break you? Do these dictatorships just suck at PR as much as they suck at other aspects of governing?
So, what gives? Is it supposed to demonstrate the regime's ability to break you? Do these dictatorships just suck at PR as much as they suck at other aspects of governing?
Disclaimer: I live in Russia and what is told about Russia here on HN slowly kills me with its striking primitivism.
I think a lot of "Russian influence campaign" suspicions held by people are just because they cannot fathom the other side being genuine. Helped by the fact that Russia does, in fact, run the occasional influence campaign in the US.
It is clear that they have been attempting to influence elections. In the US but also in other places, like Austria. It seems unlikely they stick to elections.
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-pfizer-covid-disinformation-s...
I can believe it! I do judo with a Russian and it's interesting the difference between how others talk about Russia and knowing even a single actual Russian. I should be clearer that I'm describing the Russian government, not actual Russians, my apologies.
As to the point - the only explanation offered that really makes sense to me is that it's an extension of the arguments that a number of governments are having around the various vaccines. The Russian government is in conflict with e.g. Brazil around the Sputnik vaccine. The Chinese government has been suggesting it will only allow travel to China from people who have been vaccinated with a Chinese-developed vaccine, not any others. And, of course, there is the ongoing argument over the patent status of a number of the European and US vaccines.
No problem, I don't take this personally :) Sometimes I just can't help diving into political argument despite outcome in most cases is disappoining and HN is not inteded for such discussions in the first place.
As for vaccines, in most cases it is pretty clear why something happens and motives are obvious. Spreading lies about competitors vaccine is definitely a dirty play but at least understandable tactic. Using toursts as a trade war weapon puzzles me a bit but still can probably be useful to improve negitiation position or whatever. But antivaccination propaganda has just rung a bell - it doesn't pass qui bono test. Antivaccination groups in any country are a minority (AFAIK) and it is hard to use them to "divide and conquer". IMO this kind of campaign most likely has been initiated by some antivaccination activists.
It's the same reason Israel claims that every building they level in Gaza is a military target.
It's the same reason cops in the US cite noncompliance as a justification for violence.
It's the same reason Republicans allege voter fraud when they make laws to suppress millions of votes.
Authoritarians will never, ever, ever admit "we're dictators" or "this is about power". They will always have an excuse for it.
Want to cite that counterclaim? Which innocent building was razed?
how about that one? Which person that doesn't deserve it has ever been the victim of police violence? Can you prove it?
Have never heard about what happened during the Civil Rights movement?
Try a web search for police violence. You will see hours upon hours of unprovoked violence by the US police.
Your comment is quite frankly incredibly ignorant.
It is extremely hard to believe that at least by accident that Israel has not bombed civilian target, harder still to believe that all the "Intel" they have is so accurate that they know exactly always which civilian buildings Hamas operates out of during the middle of a war.
Extraordinary claims that not a single civilian target was bombed needs extraordinary proof .
I don't think that Israel is claiming that, although some people might make such a stupid claim.
>It is extremely hard to believe that at least by accident that Israel has not bombed civilian target, harder still to believe that all the "Intel" they have is so accurate that they know exactly always which civilian buildings Hamas operates out of during the middle of a war.
That seems sadly quite possible and hard to verify either way. Also my guess would be that most of the intel was gathered prior to the war.
Is it not likely any quasi military organization would move things around once war actually starts ?
That's a misunderstanding, if you act like a buffoon the police are required to treat you as one. There not dictators, just blue collar workers doing there jobs.
There's hours of video online of American police screaming "stop resisting arrest!", while beating civilians senseless.
It's quite clearly a tactic employed by a lot of them to create plausible deniability of their appalling behavior.
Selection bias, you see the videos that outrage you the most well you don't see the day to day reality. Police don't beat calm sensible people, they beat the kind of people who are out there resisting arrest.
>incompatible with the idea of democracy
So is Belarusian regime.
>suck at PR
Do concentration camp administration suck at PR? Beating random prisoners to death for no reason is quite efficient way of keeping people under control.
But if Lukashenka gets torn to bloody pieces by the crowd - then yes, he did suck at PR indeed.
They don't suck at PR, they are doing exact what they want and it is extremely effective. You simply are coming into it with the wrong frame, one based on viewing it in the detached and abstract hypothetical, vs the embodied view of someone who is in that society and has everything to lose.
Everyone ultimately knows the Big Lie is false. The PR is showing that the truth does not matter vs the power of the regime.
One of the most chilling examples of this is the footage from when Saddam took absolute power. He paraded out a "confessor" that showed signs of torture in front of the legislature. The confessor started reading a list of names of sitting members of the legislature. As he continued, the entire congress became panic'd. Many of them began screaming hyperbolic pledges of loyalty to Saddam, prostrating in the aisles, etc.
Once the list of names was done, roughly half the legislature was named. Saddam took everyone outside, distributed firearms, and made the half that was not named execute the half that was. He did that to make the survivors complicit in his new dictatorship. The message was: if I go down, you go with me now.
That's what this sort of stuff is about. Not some armchair platonic musing about whether it's hypocritical vs the ideals of democracy.
1984 did it first.