Comment by didibus | Hacker News Reader

Comment by didibus | Hacker News Reader

I kinda hate this engineer, he didn't push hard enough, he let the professional bar be crossed, there was seemingly no business value in the whole project either. It would be refreshing if the devs just didn't take this, those that quit after should have quit during the project instead.

I think there's a saying that goes: "you get what you're willing to tolerate".

This is often the reason why employees get screwed over, they're willing to tolerate far too much, for far too little reasons.

Covering up bad management and planning is not something engineers should tolerate. You should say, no sorry, you missed the deadline to fund us and have engineering start early enough, that's that, you screwed up your planning, you failed at being a good manager. We're not going to cover for your screw up.

Edit: Specifically, I don't personally hate them, but I hate that it played out this way, and I know it's a difficult position to be in and it's difficult to get out of, it just makes me mad, and I don't know what solutions there are.. maybe to fight to change the norm back to hourly employment, or have contracts with a per-week maximum hour cap that if breached warrants bonus pay on top of salaried employment.

Not everyone wants to martyr themself to save management from hoisting themselves on their own petards.

Especially when it's just a taxi app.

Well they are getting paid like 500k no?

No, that's how you get exploited. You get paid 100% of your salary for 100% of your agreed upon time.

If you're then expected to work 200% of the time then you should be paid 200%, with the ability to say no if you don't want to. The actual amount is irrelevant.

This is a deluded way of thinking the world works.

Is it how things should be? Probably. But this is nothing close to reality.

This is bad advice and not what it means to be on salary.

If you want to be paid by the hour, be an hourly worker when you clock in and clock out. Then you are paid by the hour.

The whole point of being a "salary" worker is that you are not an hourly worker and you are not paid by the hour. In fact, you have no right to overtime as there is no such thing as "overtime" for a salary worker. There are state by state regulations that can limit how many hours you can legally work in certain professions, for example airline pilots are prevented from working too many consecutive hours, but there are never any regulations requiring you to get more pay if you work longer hours if you are on salary. Work expectations, time off, work-life balance -- these are things you need to negotiate and figure out when you sign that salary contract because it is absolutely not a per-hour contract. So please don't tell people it is -- instead make sure what you are getting into before you sign that contract.

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