The problem is assuming that no mask mandate means nobody wears masks. As the top poster said, people still wore masks, but it wasn't forced. I suspect this is true of a number of places that didn't have mask mandates.
Also, what we are calling lock downs, weren't really good lock downs. People still went out, people still went to the grocery store and other stores, and other places. I happen to be friends with a contact tracer, and the problem was the lock downs actually made the pandemic worst in a number of cases. If someone got sick in a household, everyone in the house got sick. I would argue if everyone is stuck in the house together and someone gets sick, there is no escape. By the time the person has even figured out they are sick, it's too late because everyone is home all of the time. Now, that's not to say without lock downs this wouldn't have still happened, but the lock downs practically guarantee that someone sharing a house with a sick person is spending most of their day in that location exposed to covid.
I think it's too early to know if lock downs were that useful. I don't think we will know for years as more data is gathered and people look at the kind of lock downs, and places that didn't do lock downs. Maybe some places that didn't do lock downs did well due to a different climate, or because they were more rural. But this would lead to the conclusion that maybe lock downs are not the best solution for all places, maybe they are good for cities and not as useful for rural areas. I think that's something that we might find out in the future.
By the sound of your resistance to my original comment though, no amount of sources will prove to you that the measures taken saved lives.
Also, Sweden, Florida.
Strict lockdowns may make a difference, but given the fact that 40% of the population just can not work from home, they're never really strict.
For me the 'undeniable' part of your statement was far too strong.
Also anecdotally, having lived in NYC through COVID, can confidently state that without the city going on lockdown (and it was by all means a strict lockdown), hundreds of thousands would have died.
[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-data-scientist-...
Remember, they weren't really full lock downs, they were these partial kind of lock downs. Even in the US, some places did curfews, some did not. At the very least, you have to admit that there have been some measures under the lock down umbrella that were not as effective as others. If you can't even examine your faith in your statement, you are right that there is no point in discussing this subject further.
That's the entire reason why the Tri-State area worked together to create and follow each other's lockdown policies.
If you have a piecemeal approach, people will flee the lockdown and bring the virus to wherever they go to continue the cycle. The lockdown (and masks) only work if you have high levels of coordination and compliance. That's why having a national policy is much more effective than a regional or state-level policy. That's also why China was much more effective (from the outside, if you believe anything about their numbers) than the West was.
Other than that, what do you think would have happened if life continued unperturbed in early 2020? Do you think we’d be over it already? I don’t think that’s correct, to be polite.
Influenza belongs to a different family of viruses called Orthomyxoviridae.
Saying that covid-19 is a strain of flu is like saying that lions are a form of dog.
On top of that, it kept cases down until vaccines became available, cutting down on total possibly infected populations.