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China seems to be aging faster than the middle class can get wealthy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/01/chinas-aging-population-is-b...

I've come to realize that the inherent advantage to the China system is that it can dispose of people at will, it doesn't need to care about your feel and whether you want to be in the loser pack, all in the grand name of the greater good.

That makes it nimble, and powerful, that means the system itself almost always wins, as for the people, well, good luck.

The CCP runs an arbitrage. It is willing to destroy any citizen’s life — to deprive, to immiserate, to extract - in exchange for marginally better systemic performance for the party state. Most other modern governments just aren’t willing and able to use and abuse their citizens to quite the same degree that the CCP is. And with a lot of expendable people + total control, you can drive some fast results. But this is also why the world needs to firmly reject such unethical governance plays, by banding together to shun and decouple from any ruling elite that tries to run them.

> Most other modern governments just aren’t willing and able to use and abuse their citizens to quite the same degree that the CCP is.

Oh, really? Let's look at one metric: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_United_States_....

overall incarceration rate in the US is 639 per 100,000

The incarceration rate of the People's Republic of China varies depending on sources and measures. According to the World Prison Brief, the rate for only sentenced prisoners is 118 per 100,000 (as of 2015)

WTH is going on here?

In what sense does a high rate of incarceration help the United States “system” though? This feels like a tenuous connection.

I am not an expert, I dont know how a government benefits from abusing their people. I dont see CCP doing that systematically. But apparently many think CCP just like to abuse Chinese people, even if there is no data to support it. Maybe US government is with hidden agendas that requires abusing people inside prisons?

Isn’t it generally agreed that China is actively committing genocide against its own people? If that’s not systematic abuse, I’m not sure what is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

You can search Youtube and see youtubers' visiting to Xinjiang, and even the sites of the so-called genocide events. Draw your own conclusion. I haven't been in Xinjiang in my lifetime, I have no idea what really happened. I watched CNN, ABC, and many western news reports, and CGTN's reports, and a lot of Youtuber, like and dislike China all alike. I had my own opinions. But I see no reason to present them without myself setting foot on the region.

Yes, of course. No sense in presenting opinions without setting foot in Xinjiang with the blessings of a carefully monitoring government. Sure many celebrities and professors have disappeared for the last 2-3 years and China is trying to compel expat Uighurs to return to China. But I don't want to present opinions without setting foot in china. There are too many reports of Chinese soldiers entering homes whisking husbands away into educational camps and sleeping with the wives.

But irrespective of all these stories, I am firmly in your camp about my opinion. I see no reason to present my opinion without myself setting foot on the region.

Well, let's not be cynical.

Speaking truly and frankly. You are expressing a lot of opinions.

I indeed reserve my judgement on CCP, as I know that I know very little about the entity.

You may or may not interpret that as complicit to them, or whatever. But please do calm your mind, and see into the facts, and the reasoning behind the emotions.

I am not asking anyone to be correct. I am asking rationale.

Please don't mistake my words for opinions. I am not posting any opinions, just like you.

> it doesn't need to care about your feel and whether you want to be in the loser pack > as for the people, well, good luck.

I am more and more direct nowadays to point out the ridiculousness of comments like this:

This type of comments do not square with the facts in even the slightest sense.

China runs the world's largest and most successful poverty elimination program. How can a government doing this not care about you in the loser pack? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/27/asia...

In essence, a lot of such comments treat CCP as some kind of bizarre imaginary entity that automatically possess any negative traits for the topic being discussed.

Of course, the distribution of positive & negative comments are certainly always mixed.

But boy, oh boy, I never seen a single comment actually showing a decent understanding of CCP's functioning nowadays, in my 10+ years on hackernews.

Not a single comment.

Wow

The older folks were not educated (less than 10% with college degree). The young people are much more (close to 30%). Besides, close to 40% pop lives in rural.

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