Nearly 200K Medical Records of US Military Veterans Leaked
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The only way to change that is massive fines, there is no chance that a technical system can control human behavior...ATM at least, like Plane-crashes technically it's always human error.
EDIT: Corrected Plan-crashes and told Mozilla to pay a 1 Million $ fine, because the auto-correct software did not work correctly ;)
That's a $1M fine for misspelling "Plane". ;)
Also, it's definitely the software. There's a wonderful talk by Alan Kay regarding this, but I cannot find it. It might be referenced in Jon Blow's talk: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSRHeXYDLko
In regard to human error, I think we are approaching the point where it is useless to focus on individual hackers, companies, admins or users.
To pick the most famous example of something we should rethink (not that it would address the hack in this news story): users on the web mainly read text, yet our browsers enable Javascript by default.
To me it seems the ways we store and share data in IT are starting to fail. It's at the point where every interaction a regular person engages in (with banking, shopping, healthcare, social life, work, education, etc) has a real chance of becoming public. That's not sustainable.
I think we can do a lot by thinking about only storing the data that is needed and for only the time that is needed. I think GDPR has been a first step in the right direction and it also adds fines for abusers.
Massive fines sounds like an easy win but it doesn't work in practice in the sae way that massive fines don't stop corporate polluters, don't stop medical negligence and don't stop crime in general. Are they useful? Only where it is clear where the responsbility lays.
Take the VW emmissions scandal as an equivalent issue imho. Who gets a fine? VW? That isn't really fair if the decision was taken by an employee. The employees? They can't afford to pay a fine. All this would do is make it harder for disruptive startups who can't afford the potential fines.
Sadly, I think like most things, it will take a whole raft of things including educating people, punishing people and companies, regulating who is allowed to produce and sign-off systems, have mandatory MOTs for software so they can't be left to languish and even potentially creating seprate WWWs for those who follow the rules and the general public can trust vs those who believe in complete liberty to do whatever they want and who cannot be exposed to the general public who won't understand the risks they are exposing themselves to.
like Plane-crashes technically it's always human error
>Take the VW emmissions scandal as an equivalent issue imho. That isn't really fair if the decision was taken by an employee
That's a bad example, they got massive fines in the US, not so in germany (for obvious reasons), and yes it was for sure the engineer who took that decision and for sure not the management ;)
A example for responsible storage of such data would be:
If you want to store my highly private data (health records), you have to use a terminal to a government mainframe...you are not allowed to export, process or store it anywhere else.
What does MOTs mean?
To be honest, I want in the net for special people that cannot be exposed to the general public.
Presumably lbriner hopes the inspectors would fix IoT camera botnets rather than, say, demanding you install McAfee antivirus.
Nope, tho company is liable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarious_liability
Given that, I think there's more to be gained by looking at the "low probability" side of things.
Some historic examples of attacking the "low probability" side include building codes and speeding fines - both have pretty strong evidence for their efficacy.
A comparable initiative for software might fine those found keeping data after they do not need it (like GDPR), or mandate that sensitive data is stored behind appropriate access controls (like PCI does).
In this case the taxpayers will bear the brunt of those fines. In other cases, the consumers.
For private companies in competitive industries I couldn't see this affecting consumers in a negative way. It may affect the bonuses of the overpaid but few would lose sleep over that.
companies need to be held accountable for the garbage they create. peddling alpha/beta software to consumers or pushing code to production while they don't have a disclosure policy and rather purchase ransomware insurance than invest in quality-control must be forced with fines too big to ignore (make it 1% of annual global turnover _not_ profits)
secondly we need to decriminalize hackers that take down vulnerable shit. instead create a business model that allows someone like brickerbot/janit0r to take dangerous devices offline if it is known to be unpatched for x-months still. similar what the feds did with patching of the recent MS exchange exploit but more bottom-up.
finally criminalize all cryptocurrency so that they can no longer be converted to FIAT in any legal sort of way. want to use bitcoin? fine your only way to turn it into value is by buying a gift card that only is accepted by a corner shop in Uzbekistan. as another alternative that is also the other extreme, make banks adopt cryptocurrency (https://twitter.com/JoeUchill/status/1393697279941431300) so it turns into a regulated white-market while outlawing the grey areas.
taking these measures further, if you're getting pwned and do not disclose it within 1 week, or info surfaces that you paid ransom without disclosing it then your CEO and CISO bonk! go straight to jail. That would immediately put pressure into solving the boring security shit, like curating and maintaining a good quality SBOM, asset catalogue etc (... come to think of it, if inventory is missing in any org that processes PII, or you get hit by an OWASP top-10 then immediately jail time as well).
it all starts and fails with holding people responsible for what they do and make it impossible to hide behind the name of a company. salaries can be adjusted to actual responsibility people carry in the company, no more blaming the intern.
^^ the reason why any of these measures will never happen is because those who would have to enforce it are themselves corrupt and totally dependent on the broken system in order to get cover and plausible deniability for their own crimes: https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-inside-militarys-secret-u...
It is unfair to hold an app developer liable, when there is no practical way to create even a small CRUD application which doesn't have many million lines of code written by thousands of developers as dependencies (counting an OS as a dependency). And this becomes worse every year.
IMHO the only good way to create secure system is start from keeping the system simple and easy to audit. To keep it this way one would have not only invest a lot of time, but also to sacrifice non-essential features (something customers/users not used to do and will have a hard time accepting).
If we keep assuming humans are suddenly going to stop making mistakes then these things will never go away.
I almost never blame the user or human, I blame the software.
You can have the best protocol in the world, but it's useless if nobody uses it.
These breaches aren't some amazing hacker. These breaches are outsourced, lowest bidder doing dumbshit stuff.
I would never allow any of my medical data to be digitized, but I have never been asked. I would never use an Internet-connected Windows PC to manage any critical machinery. I don't want my printer to order inks for itself. I would rather avoid modern libraries which add dozens megabytes of complexity to make trivial things look fancy.
Oftentimes the optimal solution is not to add something (like another layer of encryption and automation) but to remove and make things simpler.
Otherwise I agree with what you're saying, software (and hardware to a certain extent) is far more bloated and complicated than it needs to be.
I like that. It sounds so much like the de Saint Exupery quote: "perfection is attained, not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away".
We need a lot more of that.
We have plenty of mechanism to track and identify actors, but the legal framework to make that work is not there. The major obstacle to get those in place is the billions evaluated industries built on the exist frameworks, and the enormous political power they have on the political system. Getting laws in place so we can have a safe internet that does not get exploited for commercial gain will be a bigger challenge then people had fighting tobacco companies on health issues.
> hardware and software that allow careless or incompetent admins and users to leak sensitive data
We have hardware and software that take responsibility for sensitive data, but that responsibility cost money. There does not exist any feedback loop or incentives for contract negotiators to manage data leaks to the point where leaks will not occur. There is however direct incentives to reduce costs, so hardware and software that can keep the initial costs down by putting the responsibility onto the user get a competitive advantage during contract negotiation. The industry can not fix this unless someone find a new profit center in preventing leaks. Laws and regulations could fix it, but then established commercial actors who currently has a competitive advantage by providing cheap hardware and software will fight those laws and regulators.
As such, the challenge seems to be to either fight nail and tooth against money and power in order to get laws that solves the issue (like gdpr if it actually got enforced), or someone has to invent a profit center that happen to align with eliminating leaks and hacks.
Maybe after nations has tried the concept of a citizen score, had a few internal wars, genocides, and media storms to really demonstrate the harm of the current system we might end up with enough international pressure worldwide to both have all the tracking and recording needing to correctly identify bad actors, but also the laws and regulations that prevents harm to innocents and enabling the commercial exploration of fellow human beings.
There is only one way to keep utilities safe on a public network and that would be extreme simplicity and a fitting network configuration.
> We have an internet that has few mechanisms to identify bad actors and make them accountable
That isn't the problem here and the advantage from this far outweighs the risks.
> abuse the data from tens of thousands of these leaks and hacks.
The data people share voluntarily also far outweighs stolen info.
The reality is that nobody wants to spend anything on IT and that will bite you in the ass at a later time. It is not a technical problem alone.
I have little faith in the US government or the various US healthcare providers keeping their databases properly secured from attack. I am saying this as somebody with 2 rare immune-mediated neurological diseases affecting my peripheral nervous system, plus type 1 diabetes (autoimmune and insulin-dependent).
I have far more faith in the European Union, even though it has issues. I live in Europe, and it is a breath of fresh air.
edit:
Here are some sources to support my point:
NHS patient data breached at least 1,395 times in two years (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44682369)
NHS data breach affects 150,000 patients in England (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44682369)
Over 18K COVID-19 Patients’ Data Mistakenly Exposed by NHS Trust (https://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/security-data-pro...)
In the US, our Congress is extremely technologically incompetent, with a few isolated exceptions with respect to individuals.
What comes to my mind is this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnther_Oettinger
https://theferret.scot/nhs-patient-data-breached-1395-times-...
I can assure you the data is safe due to being a total mess. Antiquated systems, archived data in different formats, cross institutions joined data based on intuition. Might get something but everything is so disjoint you would need a magician not a hacker for something sizeable.
EU countries at least some western ones I have worked with are OK but their implementation mirrors each country's bureaucracy.
If released via a torrent at the right period of time, it could be powerful, such as right before health reform, if it is the right legal bill to prey on. The same would apply if there is some huge financial crisis in the US.
In the US, I was receiving a blood product that cost my employer (not insurance--the employer was self-insured) USD $275,000+/year.
I require other expensive drugs too.
10% of the general population can theoretically benefit from an orphan drug. In America an orphan drug costs hundreds of thousands of dollars per year to millions of dollars per year, and it is very frequently needed for the rest of the individual's life.
I never plan on working in the US again. I am a dual US|EU (Croatian) citizen, currently living in Croatia. There are about 30 countries in Europe that I can legally live/work/retire in, so I have it good.
Maybe this increases the probability of getting put into the bucket of false positives.
The Irish health service is currently under a ransomware attack.
Also remember when the Berlin courts were 'hacked' because they were still using Windows 95? (It's been a couple of years already)
And in the end, securing systems will help, but this won't stop until the people doing this are held responsible.
I think the only saving grace at the moment is that the chance of any individual being taken advantage of is low simply because there are so many people.
I would be much more worried if I was important and more likely to be targetted.
Source: Worked in healthcare IT implementing electronic medical record exchanges.
I think I should run for Congress with a single policy... you screw up data storage, your company is "executed" (nationalized)
The tip of the iceberg has not even been identified with the recent US SolarWinds cyber attack.
Then again, nationalizing care would bring up the standard. Not like I trust the US government, however, the third leading cause of death is believed to be preventable medical errors. The level of care is particularly poor and inconsistent outside of the east and west coasts, with a few notable areas as exceptions geographically. As a chronically ill individual with 2 rare immune mediated neurological diseases affecting my peripheral nervous system, it's not like I trust the system. I basically fell through the cracks, over and over again.
(And given that the ultimate has already happened, what are you going to do? Nationalize the CIA? Then nationalize it again with the next breach?)
Makes sense, we did it with drugs and there's no more drugs.
A better comparison would be online gambling - which has been banned effectively in the US.
ID.me is basically a glorified coupon/advertisement delivery platform targeting veterans, which sells itself as identity protection with perks. Then, ID.me got hacked, and all of my info I'd given them to prove my identity got shared with the goat. I got this sweet apology letter though.
So moral? They don't give a fuck. No one is held responsible. The general feeling is that "this kinda stuff just happens" and it's not really their fault. I'd love to see large numbers of people go to jail over this...
What if there were a law that any responsibly disclosed security vulnerability must be rewarded with a bounty based on the damage the vulnerability would have caused? Combined with immunity from hacking charges for companies that have a license to operate this way (and strict monitoring on those companies).
It's self-funding, self-enforcing, and as a bonus, trains more "cyberwarfighters" nationally. Maybe the market can solve this problem.
Just like properly hashed password files.
Lacking that, it's all kabuki.
Deep in americas arse as always...