It's not unusual in Chinese for someone to structure a meandering sentence like "let's go for a run ba, next Monday hao bu hao, around noon we can meet ne, just us two a, there is a nice track, it's my house nearby de yige, what do you think?"
The sentence order is more important when you already have all the information up-front and you are trying to describe it to someone. So if you have three different runs and someone asks "which run?" then you might say "the just us two next Monday at noon my house nearby de track de nage run". Or drop everything but the last de: "us two next Monday at noon my house nearby track de". In reality, that's a bit of a weird thing to ever need to say, you'd probably just say "next Monday at noon de". Or "my house nearby track de". But if you did say "nage track de nage, my house nearby de nage track, next Monday at noon de, just the two of us going ba, nage run, you know ma", you would be understood too.
Personally i think getting the tones right is the most important part of being understood in Chinese. Some Chinese may pretend not to understand you if you get the formal grammar "wrong", but that often comes across to me as a condescending form of ingrained elitism, because it doesn't happen when you talk to working class or poorly-educated Chinese. Much like in English, as long as the general pronunciation (including tones) is recognizable, you should be able to communicate your intent. It won't get you passing grades if you have to write an essay, but if you just want to talk to people on the street, I think focusing on tones and the small sounds that give contextual hints about what you're saying (ma, ne, ba, a/ya, nage/nege, yige, de etc) is a better investment.
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it really doesn't matter where you are from, the UK, the US, Japan, Korea or Hongkong. if you can't get the tones right, you will be misunderstood. If you are of Chinese heritage (like the HKers), you will be viciously mocked.
Aside from that, I’d say some features of the language are quite nice, and feel like they were created with human experience in mind more than rules of logic. For example, it relies on specialized complements, like 過 guò (past experience), or 完 wán (finished something), to modify the action of a clause. Unlike English which uses the same past-tense grammar to describe that I ate something in the past and a tree fell in the woods. There are even complements to express the result perceiving with ones senses “I looked and saw”, and the result of cognition “I looked and understood.”
I spend 3 hours per day in class, 5 days a week. We learn about 10 new words and about 2-3 new grammatical structures per day. Outside of class it takes me about 5 hours per day to complete homework assignments and memorize vocab (including writing traditional characters). It’s very brisk and I am barely able to keep up. Every day I feel like I am in a pressure cooker.
Since my homework includes a lot of writing, I tend to peek back at previous chapters and continue to fold old grammar and vocab into my writing. Since I live in Taiwan I have plenty of opportunities to practice. I make it a point to try to put new grammar and words to use immediately while texting or talking with friends. Anytime I’m riding the metro or standing in line or something, I am always practicing flash cards in Pleco. I feel like occasional review wouldn’t be enough for me, I actually have to put it to use to absorb it.
Since I feel like my head is constantly just beneath the water in a perpetual state of drowning, I don’t know if I’m in a position to offer advice, but if I’m offering advice I’d say forget the lookup table. Exceptions abound, and when you start getting into complements and directional phrases and stuff it’s just too much. It’s like trying to memorize the rules for the order of adjectives in English. It’s easier to just practice usage and know when it sounds “off.” Try to find people to practice talking with.
This sounds like a quite a lot of pressure, but that time invested will pay off in the long run, you will quickly master the words and sentences. Learning is a decade long process for me. I've set specific goals for my learning. Initially, I want to tell what I(or we) did during the day, what I saw and if it was good or not. That's my 1 year plan.
My 2-5 year plan is being able to have casual conversations and talk about fun/enjoyable things. Then after 5 years I'd like to be able to express what is important to me in raising a child and why certain actions/inaction is important is instilling certain values I hold dear. After 10 years, I'd like to find the art in the language and understand deeper meanings.
I think my goals are achievable, and the timeframe is as well. Chinese is not something I will earn my living with so its fun. I do take classes but only once a week, for about 30 weeks a year.
Thanks for your advise. I think practice is the most important part. I speak with my family once a week and my SO daily. I'm lucky to have conversational native speaking partner that also speaks English (both our second language).
欸!下个星期我们一起去跑步吧。比如星期一中午,就我们俩。我家附近好像有个挺好的跑道。
That's almost a direct translation that would work just fine in Chinese.
> I though of the activity first then the time then the person. Generally that’s how I come up with how to plan activities.
Then you will be really happy to learn about the topic-comment structure in Chinese. It's exactly what you want!
EDIT:
If you really want to say "go running together" before "next week" then that's also fine:
欸!我们一起去跑步吧。比如星期一中午,就我们俩。我家附近好像有个挺好的跑道。