It's not just "low-skilled" people who will have trouble finding good employment. It's most people.
I like the idea of a society sharing the wealth from resources, cooperation, and technological advancement, and trying to ensure that everyone is lifted up by it.
I'd like to be careful of language around that, since I often hear comments from people who happen to be benefitting from the status quo (for now), talking down about people who aren't benefitting.
For example, some people hear about how "we" need to take care of others, and they seem to think it means asking "meritorious" them "for a favor, to benefit those less meritorious." But I think more appropriate is that the we is society, and that we need to revise our rules and conventions, because they're unfair, reward the wrong things, etc.
Right now, our rules and conventions seem to be under something like regulatory capture. So, exploiters benefit wildly disproportionately, and some of the rest of us (myself included, at times) effectively ride the coattails of that economic setup.
I propose that those of us who are currently making tech money would do well to speak up for those currently getting less a share of society. One reason is that it seems the right thing to do. Another reason is that, while we may be benefitting now, we might not later, and current rules&conventions are to listen to those with money, so we should speak up while we can.
This reads as though this shouldn’t be the case. People need to contribute to society, and not everyone will be an artist or pursue their passion if freed from labor.
I no longer support a UBI (unless we’re in a post scarcity society), but I do support a CBI.
Andrew Yang and Mark Cuban debate UBI vs CBI https://podverse.fm/clip/__ihv7eFk
Citizen’s Basic Income in Scotland https://www.alliance-scotland.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017...
I look forward to learning the difference, which doesn't seem that great at first glance
I think you’re mischaracterizing some part of the opposition with “should have to work”. To my school of UBI skepticism, it’s not at all about Lutheran work ethic as a deontological good.
To clarify: I don’t believe we take care of elderly/disabled/children solely because it’s “the right thing to do”. Instead I believe we do it due to other conditions e.g. “it could be me one day” and “it’s just a few people so we can afford it”. Based on that, I think the stance will change if the conditions change.
Longer term, if we wish to continue having a distributed economy, then the gains of automation need to accrue to people directly, through something resembling ownership. Basic Income should only ever been seen as a social safety net. Collecting most of the wealth by a centralized entity ("government") to distribute back out to people is fraught with political hazard, if it is even possible to sustain.
Where I live, optometry and dental medicine are carved out of socialized healthcare. Hard to reconcile that with the purely utilitarian theory.
I think the “few people” aspect is important in practice. If the prevalence is too great, it could stop feeling like an accidental curse of fate. Just theorizing.
If 10% of the population doesn’t have to work I can justify I’m helping those in need. If 70% of the population doesn’t have to work there’s zero chance I’m working.
Culturally it tends to lean in a direction I’d call “make some richer person happy for a portion of nation-state scrip.”
If you take a more scientific, physical, definition, raising kids is work. Learning anything is work.
Politics aren’t manipulated and how things work are organic. So we should just be happy since look at this math, cause behavior and statistics aren’t game-able.
Why would anyone in the most competent 30% of the population be willing to accept a deal where they must work because they are the most competent, but the less competent people get to spend all their time traveling, socializing, enjoying romantic relationships, etc? And remember, they must ALL accept this deal because if any significant percentage of them drops out the infrastructure isn't maintained.
When you add up everyone on social security, disability, government make-work jobs (which includes 95 percent of the military) and the assemblage of programs (section 8, EBT, medicaid) that constitute modern welfare, you are pretty much at 30/70 now. So...to answer your question, why are you accepting the deal as we speak?
Sure, some will accept a system where the less productive stop pretending and just brazenly take. But most won’t. The fairness/justice system is ingrained in primate dna. It would take an evolutionary time scale to remove it and the productive would kill the nonproductive either directly or indirectly long before that happens.
And the place it falls apart is the other side. Why would the 10% most competent people work a traditional job when everyone else can leisure travel, take up hobbies, spend time with family, or focus on romantic relationships?
Not nobody. There's enough work for some people. Just not enough for everyone, working 45 hours a week.
> Why would the 10% most competent people work a traditional job when everyone else can leisure travel, take up hobbies, spend time with family, or focus on romantic relationships?
Because they want a bigger house/car/yacht
Not since the Reagan era. That's why there are homeless camps.
only when you think the only work that needs doing is work that makes someone's boss money does it look like there are all these extra people that need to be taken care of because there's nothing they can contribute.
That might soon include almost all people in society.
Remember back in the 1400’s there was little education and what like 95% farm work. Developed nations have reduced farm work to like 5% of the population, through education and better nutrition, to focus on improved medicine and leisure. See the Flynn effect.
That sounds like a lot of work. Isn't tech supposed to make life easier?
Sounds like Eugenics