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False, see this snippet from #freenode:

    15:04 <@Fuchs> as it is clearly stated in my letter, this was a draft
                   that was not supposed to be published, but a draft from
                   a colleague that linked to mine got indexed by a search
                   engine and found
    15:04 <@Fuchs> as of right now, none of us resigned, freenode is still
                   ran by the same volunteers that ran it for the past 2
                   decades, and the rest is rumours and hearsay, we'll gladly
                   officially communicate when we can, until then I'd suggest
                   taking any rants, pastebins, articles and the likes with a
                   grain of salt

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"I am about to resign along with most other Freenode staff" isn't really that much better.

Yeah, I can't recall ever drafting and saving/keeping a resignation letter from a job (volunteer or otherwise) that I didn't intend to leave...

Nevermind posting it on the internet, indexed or not.

I did this many times, usually on the verge of a burnout. Almost every time, except for the final one, it helped me identify the pain points as well as the highlights, find ways to fix the underlying issues then get back to speed and regain satisfaction from work. I think it's a great way to gather more insight about yourself and your workplace. Try drafting one now especially if you do not intend to leave :)

Agree. That said, keep it somewhere only you can see until you act upon it (if you even do).

> Yeah, I can't recall ever drafting and saving/keeping a resignation letter from a job (volunteer or otherwise) that I didn't intend to leave...

Writing letters that you don't send is an effective, practical, recommended way to manage anger and other emotions. It's even better than posting angry rants on the Internet. :)

I worked at a tech company where the management decided to move the offices to a new office park built on top of a toxic waste dump. We all printed off our resumes and left them on the laser printer, that was the end of that

The current staff is very different. Christel is apparently gone. Only kloeri remains.

https://freenode.net/people

Edit: Also compare to the staff listed in this deleted freenode blog linked by @gwd below.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210423231439/https://freenode....

Edit 2: Who is OFTC and how do they fit in?

OFTC is another IRC network - irc.oftc.net

OFTC was founded by people who didn't like how freeenode was run. but that was quite some time ago. i don't remember the details but there were some issues very early on, and the people responsible for those issues left long ago.

OFTC is a competing IRC network run by tomaw who also is staging a hostile takeover of freenode as we speak.

OFTC is run by the OFTC board (of which tomaw is a member) on behalf of Software in the Public Interest, who originally organized it for Debian.

According to the current freenode people page, tomaw is head of staffing, projects and communities and also the overall project lead in charge of the other heads.

Edit: here’s the staff as of 23 Apr. tomaw is still there today, the rest are gone, including fuchs.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210423231451/https://freenode....

Edit: Given the situation with PIA

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27154226

maybe it wold be a positive event from the POV of the free sw community?

Edit 2: Er, I guess not:

https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e...

How is PIA related to any of this?

rasengan was a co-founder of PIA, and became involved in Freenode via "freenode becoming officially part of the PIA family" in 2017: https://freenode.net/news/pia-fn

This was later downplayed in 2019, after PIA was acquired by a company Kape with a poor track record: https://freenode.net/news/freenode-pia-changes

It appears shells.net which is another rasengan company (but not associated with Kape?) has since taken PIA's place in the organisation.

That doesn’t necessarily make it false, it just means the rabbit hole is even deeper.

Not "false". A draft. It might never get published and the person may never resign, but it's not false.

They say "false", not "fake", unless it's been edited in the past 6 minutes.

Pretty sure it was edited, that's why I used the quotes. I could be wrong though so I'll modify mine.

Rant: Freenode advertises a specific religion on CTC message of the day, definitely hate that.

Ouch. This type of thing is a self-fullfilling prophecy in a way

Fake logs, you can't have newlines in IRC messages!

Install irssi! Newlines magically appear on their own, and it's really nice to not need to scroll left/right to read long messages.

Shouldn't your terminal handle this even if you were using netcat to chat? If the client was injecting newlines that would end up being rather unpleasant when pasting chats into a different channel.

That would prevent indenting the messages to the length of the nickname. Irssi performs manual linewrapping to achieve that.

Who uses netcat to chat?

Not only it injects newlines, it injects indentation. You can always 1) paste from logs 2) paste from the in-memory rawlog Irssi keeps or 3) use a script like xsel | tr '\t' ' ' | tr '\n' ' ' | sed 's/ */ /g' | tee >(xsel -i) | xsel -ib to your clipboard (yes it uses tr uselessly)

Copy-pasteability is not really the goal of apps that use ncurses or similar interfaces. Side-by-side windows break it also.

Sure you can, CTCP supports sending multiline messages. I even wrote support for them in an IRC lib I made once upon a time. No other client that I know of supports them, though.

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