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Comment by betterunix2 | Hacker News Reader

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Maybe don't rely on the opinions of random people? Why not take a look at what the IDF has to say, and then compare with what Hamas has to say, and see if you can figure out which side is inciting violence? It is not all that difficult to figure this one out.

(For the lazy people who would rather listen to a random stranger on the Internet: Hamas is the political party that current controls the Gaza Strip and is widely recognized to be a terrorist organization. Among other things, the first actions Hamas took after seizing power in the Gaza Strip included killing leaders from other Palestinian political parties. The Egyptian government has repeatedly closed the border with the Gaza Strip in response to Hamas using that border to import rockets and for trying to use Egyptian territory to fire rockets into Israel. The Palestinian Authority in the West Bank has sanctioned Hamas by refusing to pay for various things in the Gaza Strip. Obviously the Israelis have no patience for Hamas, but let's not pretend that this is the typical Zionists-vs-Palestinians dispute.)

> For the lazy people who would rather listen to a random stranger on the Internet:

The not so much "random stranger" above is clearly taking the Netanyahu regime side and discrediting any humanity from the reaction that the other side is taking.

> Hamas is the political party that current controls the Gaza Strip and is widely recognized to be a terrorist organization. Among other things, the first actions Hamas took after seizing power in the Gaza Strip included killing leaders from other Palestinian political parties.

Yitzhak Segev, once the Israeli military governor of Gaza, funded Ahmed Yassin and encouraged antagonism in him against secular Palestinian political forces.

It's funny for Israel to fund the founding of Hamas, encourage Muslim religious antagonism against more internationally appealing secular Palestinian figures, and then turn around and whinge about the people that they bankrolled. Hamas was bankrolled by Israel and its no secret.

Working people around the world know this and stand in support of Ahmad Sa'adat and other Palestinians to live free of the barbarism and tyranny Zionism is inflicting on them right now.

Shooting unguided missiles at population centers without strategic value isn't tyranny? Booming busses and stubbing people in the street or forcing your way into people homes and stabbing sleeping kids and babies isn't barbarism?

Instead of blaming Israel for all that is wrong why don't you demand the liberation of the Gaza strip from Hamas, why don't you demand a better lives for the Palestinians in the refuges camps in Lebanon and Jorden where they are treaded as second class citizens. Where are all those big Arab countries who stand by the Palestinians but don't really want to make their lives better but to perpetuates their suffering so they'll have someone to blame.

> [...] better lives for the Palestinians in the refuges camps [...]

Refugees should return to their homeland, in case you don't know how to let them get the normal life of a citizen.

You mean like building them homes, letting them get an education, integrated into your community or perpetuating their lives in slums the way to give them a normal lives? It's easy to just ignore the problem instead of actually coming up with a plan the help them regardless of what you think is the righteous thing. I'm all for them to live a normal lives but maybe the Arbs nations are also to blame? Shouldn't they actually do something instead of putting all the blame on Israel. This region can barely sustain it's current population letting a few million souls isn't practical in any regard.

> I'm all for them to live a normal lives but [...]

International laws put all the responsibility on the colonizer's shoulder (i.e. The Netanyahu regime). So please stop spreading more red herrings.

not only that but international law also recognizes Palestine's right to armed struggle, as an oppressed nation

You can't put 100% of the blame and responsibility on one side, even if it's the strong one. The Arab nations attacked and kept attacking Israel, if they wouldn't attack in 47 the partition plan would hold if they wouldn't work towards war in 67 there would be no need to conquer Gaza, west bank, Golan heights etc. and there would be no refuges. Keep in mind the 20% of the population of Israel are Arabs.

When Egypt was in control of Gaza were the Gazans citizens? No

When Jorden ruled east Jerusalem and the west bank were they citizens? No

Did they mistreat them? Yes

Did they try and hold the peace and avoid conflict? No

Was there an International cry for Palestinians self determination? No

Did they encourage violence and throwing Jews to the sea? Yes

I'm not saying Israel is an angel who did nothing wrong, horrible things did happen, and could have done things better but this should not all be on Israel shoulders.

The bottom line is that the world doesn't really want to get involved, they don't want to solve the conflict, the Arabs don't want to look weak and ashamed and the Israeli side doesn't want to make hard concessions.

Man, I read all these comments... With this attitude from both sides the conflict isn’t going to be peacefully resolved for decades.

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