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> Ideally more of the "Better C" languages would retain ability to parse and compile vanilla C header files without manual binding.

I've been doing a lot of zero-copy FFI work in Haskell. It became quite mechanical to create 100% literal bindings to C libs (Pointers and all), and it's nice to use it directly in Haskell as-is. I'm hoping I can write a simple tool to do exactly what you describe.

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Indeed. For a language that strives to be as different as Haskell does, the FFI experience is absolutely stellar. The only other language I've seen come close in terms of C interoperability is perhaps Rust.

You should take a look at Zig.

For programmers which need to consume C APIs ideally the tool is the standard compiler. Eeverything gets handled at compile time without the need for community-maintained cache of bindings. New language designers start with a C compiler which handles header files, then extend compiler to also parse NewLang files. The in-memory representation is loaded from both source types, without throwing away the C functionality. In NewLang there is some standard namespace and calling convention.

    @importc "stdio.h"
    num : I32 : 123456789
    fd : c:int : c:open(c:"file.txt", c:O_RDONLY)
    :: c:print("file:%d  number:%d\n", fd, num)

But nothing more, everything else is handled by compiler.

For a "Better C" language, that would be wonderful.

For my Haskell ideas, generating Haskell from headers automatically feels like the best route. Especially if it's configurable to some degree. It's common that you can better type a C API with Haskell than C ever could. Usually with techniques like IO, phantom types, GADTs, and the new linear types.

The chicken-and-egg problem is where programmers don't know how the C API works well enough to provide function-specific type annotation or library-specific configuration settings, but want to try calling the API anyway because they are following a tutorial written in C or C++. In this situation if there is no "dumb" binding mode builtin to the language the programmer is likely to abandon the language and go back to writing C or C++ until they get the IO working and something displayed on screen.

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