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With Tesla this car had supercharger access turned off and he could not get replacement parts to fix the car.
By going ICE powered he can get the parts and is able to easily refuel it.
I'm not saying ICE is better than electric. I'm trying to highlight availability, enablement, and control.
I agree it’s not a healthy model long-term, just hoping it stays niche with Tesla rather than other manufacturers joining in.
No, they literally do not. Automakers will generally sell replacement parts for any vehicles they currently sell to anyone willing to pay for them.
In fact, they usually have dedicated sites just for buying replacement parts. https://www.toyota.com/owners/parts-service/parts https://parts.ford.com/en.html https://estore.honda.com/
In cases where the automaker won't sell replacement parts, that is because they don't make the part, but third parties do, and the part can be acquired from one or more third parties. (Note: in the case of GM and BMW, the below are third party retailers, but they also sell OEM parts, which GM and BMW do not appear to sell direct online.)
https://www.gmpartsdirect.com/ https://www.getbmwparts.com/bmw-replacement-parts
In contrast, Tesla regulate all structural and HV parts. Whether this is a bad idea or not I'm not quite sure (I think the argument that HV repair is more dangerous than gasoline vehicle repair absolutely has merit), but it's a key difference.
Furthermore, while all manufacturers these days do lock down software to some degree, none do to the extent of Tesla. For example, on VW you need GeKo access for Component Protection removal, but it's $999/year and just requires a business entity. And, a few features are behind SWaP codes, but you can buy those SWaP features too, even as an independent shop. And of course, if you like you can RE the software or buy a reversed software tool suite like Abrites which will let you bypass these mechanisms without your car being remotely banned from certain functionalities.
No chance of that, while most of the others have not gone full Apple in their control like Tesla has
Most of them (Gm, Ford, VW, etc ) have all signaled their desire to start down this path and many of them have removed anything not legally required to be in the ODBII spec into proprietary controls that require manufacturer authorization
If you think of superchargers as an almost proprietary service that is almost required for use of the car, then blocking the use of them in damaged and repaired Teslas seems problematic. If you had a "totaled" gm bolt, after it was repaired you could use third-party charging services.
Also, in Europe Tesla uses standard connectors on their superchargers — other vehicles can be plugged in, but they won't charge.
Having multiple cables is far from impossible and not a major cost difference. Most already do it with CCS and CHAdeMO, and its easy to foresee them slowly replacing CHAdeMO plugs with something newer and better() at some point.
() Yes, CCS is newer and better... but these stations already have those. They can't use two simultaneously, so having two CCS Cables with the same connector is usually (but not always) silly.
This is a little disingenuous. It was a wreck, literally. It was a flooded car that the insurance had written off and sold as scrap. You'd never get manufacturer support for a BMW in the same circumstance either. Scrap is scrap.
That you can buy a car body and do a cool hack isn't a moral lesson about the business model attached to the car the part was taken from.
More to the point: could you have build those same projects in the 70's/90's when those were new vehicles? I rather doubt it, too. Parts markets are real, but they take time to mature.
I mean... where do you think the parts would even come from? Tesla's factories are at capacity building new vehicles (in the case of the model S and X, they're actually almost a year behind orders!). Who's going to make the stuff you'd expect to buy anyway?
Here’s the whole battery pack assembly for my Honda. https://www.hondapartsonline.net/oem-parts/honda-pack-assemb...
I do not expect to be able to buy replacement parts for a car that isn't yet on sale...
I do expect that I will be able to buy replacement parts for it once the car is on sale, as is the case with all of BMW's other vehicles.
You don't need manufacturer support to repair most cars. Several car makers have left the industry, and their cars are still drivable and repairable. You can generally buy and repair cars with flood or wrecked title and repair them if you've got the time and patience; manufacturers will probably think you're crazy, but you can get service parts.
It's absolutely true that engine parts can be made in a machine shop by a suitably talented artisan, so there remains a third party parts market for those things where there isn't for e.g. 20nm digital logic fabrication, NMC battery cells, etc...
But that's because one of those things is century old technology and the other isn't. It's not a business model thing, at all.
The display went out in my wife's 2018 Toyota, I went online and bought the part through a dealer and installed it myself.
That's not very possible to do with Tesla, and I think that's the point here.
The Tesla screen is available from Tesla's parts departments. You don't even need to own a car to buy it.
Audi instrument clusters, for 2021 models [1] — Audi appear to be willing to sell these to me, even though I don't own a car.
[2] seems to be a third party retailer.
[1] https://parts.audiusa.com/productSearch.aspx?&ukey_make=5792...
GP didn’t say that Audi doesn’t sell it, but that you can’t “second source” it:
> You can't get a dash display replacement for a 2021 Audi or whatever from anyone but Audi, etc...
The difference here is the dealer will sell you the parts most of the time no questions asked, no proof of ownership needed, no need to have the dealer install the part, etc etc. My understanding is that not even Tesla will sell you the parts, you have to bring the car in, they have the look it over, tell you what parts you need, and then you pay them to install it.
this is VERY VERY different than your Audi example
The fact that filling up a car at a charging/fueling station requires manufacturer support highlights how coupled everything is together.
Tesla attempting to turn cars in iPhone Walled Garden where you need approval to fix them and only allow to use Manufacture Approved Repair Centers likely will be the down fall of this, as people will not stand for this long term like they have with Cell phones, ironically this type of Automotive lock down (which Tesla is far from the only offender) will likely be the cause of Right to Repair laws being passed in most states very soon that will extend to all manner of electronics including Cell Phones
I don’t like this approach, but it is what it is.
There's no network of BMW gas stations that you need to pay a license fee to use, though. Otherwise I generally agree.
Whether this is a good idea or not is irrelevant - it's a bit of a cheeky finger to Musk more than anything.
I think some of the other charge networks would like to do the same, but do not have a path to enforcement of rules like that.
Worse, nothing stops them from using an adapter for other charge networks creating the same safety concern.