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Telegram might be worth a try. Also has the ability to join a group via Links (which also means QR Codes would work). There are a lot of options to manage groups, and even though it might not be as good as signal at encryption etc. it’s definitely better than WhatsApp

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>even though it might not be as good as signal at encryption etc. it’s definitely better than WhatsApp

By default Telegram doesn't even do E2EE, you're 100% trusting them not to read your messages unless you start a secret chat. In what objective way could you consider Telegram to be technically more secure than WhatsApp?

> In what objective way could you consider Telegram to be technically more secure than WhatsApp?

Firstly mahnouel didn't write "more secure" but better.

Secondly: if backups are enabled WhatsApp at anyone of the group members then WhatsApp is automatically uploading unencrypted copies of the group chats to Google.

I'd say that brings WhatsApp security for groups down to Telegram level at least.

Thirdly: forcing others to use WhatsApp to be part of the group gives away their group affiliation to Facebook. This might or might not be a problem for you.

Every app eventually turns evil. I'm too cynical to believe telegram or signal aren't going to cash in.

Signal has already implemented some cryptocurrency which the founder of the foundation has an unknown and undisclosed level of investment in.

Joining a group with a URL isn't unique to Telegram. Signal certainly supports it, and I think a few other platforms do too.

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