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Not to be condescending, but I practiced the exact same mental gymnastics for many years. I used the exact same reasoning ("can be ethical"). I also did select organic/etc eggs and dairy.

Buttt... This lead to people believe that I was okay with dairy/eggs, and when others picked for me I had a hard time rejecting.

And dairy and egg producing animals are hurt big time: children taken away, caged, slaughtered, selectively bread to have unnatural bodies (hen only lay ~12 eggs per year in nature vs. 300+ for domesticated variants). This is maybe worse than wild animals being killed.

After 12+ year vegetarian I went vegan 7+ years ago. I regret not doing so earlier.

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What do you feel about keeping your own hens though?

I don't eat many eggs, but I find when I cut out dairy and eggs entirely, I do end up suffering some health problems.

If you have a few minutes, you should watch this. Backyard eggs are not ethical either.

https://youtu.be/7YFz99OT18k

TL:DR; 1) loss of nutrients and problems for the hen when they lay unnatural amount of eggs. 2) lot of issues to these hens such as loss of calcium, yolk and other items stuck inside and causing infection 3) killing these hens when they stop laying eggs (and therefore the implication that their life was only to serve you and treat them as a resource.)

That said, since there are so many vegans out there that don’t have any medical problems, do you think the health problems you face when not eating dairy and eggs are because you are not eating certain food groups? Perhaps a health exam will find out if you have some nutritional deficiencies?

>That said, since there are so many vegans out there that don’t have any medical problems...

Where is the data tracking the health of these 'so many vegans'? All of my lifelong vegan friends ran the gamut of health problems from Hashimoto's Disease and other thyroid-related issues, to severe obesity, seemingly from the highly processed food-like-products they ate. Most though were chronically under-weight, and had to take several supplements. Of course, I only know 8 vegans personally and well enough to comment on.

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