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> You clearly would not stick up for short or ethnic men the way you do for women

Based on what?

> who are already heavily privileged

Depends on country. I’m not supportive of some new-found feminist movements, but all for it in some Muslim secular countries where women are not allowed to drive and are all around thought of as the property of their husband.

> I've seen women with your left wing mentality talk about women's rights and BLM and then, in the next sentence, move on to making fun of Indian men and talking about how they would never date them

That’s called a hypocrite. And I don’t see how generalizing an entire gender based on n=1 is any different than your example where you rightfully was offended by the making fun of Indian men. You do the same shit for half of all people.

> Most of society does share this hateful mindset.

And a significant percentage of men also share the mindset that women are inferior/object, or other misogynistic shit. Neither should happen.

> You responded by saying "the sky is blue", do you believe some races are objectively less attractive than others?

Heh?

In another thread I did write that men usually don’t want to have relationship with women of another race (and vice versa). But it is all around true, most cultures look down on interracial relationships — which is said.

> Based on what?

The fact that you blamed "personality" for all problems.

> Depends on country.

Well I'm talking about the West, the US in particular.

> generalizing an entire gender based on n=1

It's not n=1, the reason people do it is because it is generally considered socially acceptable.

> And a significant percentage of men also share the mindset that women are inferior/object, or other misogynistic shit. Neither should happen.

You really don't realize how many men are not misogynistic, and how much more acceptable it is to make fun of men for their insecurities (like height).

> Heh? In another thread I did write that men usually don’t want to have relationship with women of another race (and vice versa). But it is all around true, most cultures look down on interracial relationships — which is said.

This is not true, men are more open in general, and women, especially white women, have the strongest bias. Women will even refuse to date ethnic men they find attractive. There are lots of studies on this although I'd have to dig them up. Also why doesn't this affect white men as much if it's just about opposition to interracial relationships? They are preferred by many ethnic women.

> The fact that you blamed "personality" for all problems.

Which is all around the most important; the catch is that one can't really get to it over a picture. And unfortunately even in real life (especially now with COVID) it makes first moves harder. But there are many places where one can get to know others - work place, school/college. There people can show their true personality. And many part of one's appearance can be changed.

> It's not n=1, the reason people do it is because it is generally considered socially acceptable.

I'm fairly sure each culture have stereotypes of other cultures; but it is getting better. I'm sorry if you have been the target of such negative stereotypes, it's absolutely not okay, but one should not hold grudges against unknown individuals of that society, because it is the same shit.

> You really don't realize how many men are not misogynistic, and how much more acceptable it is to make fun of men for their insecurities (like height).

I said a significant percentage of men are misogynistic. And it is never acceptable to make fun of someone's insecurities - if it happens to you, quit those circles, they are toxic people. But I doubt non-popular high school girls have it better. My point is that the problem is bullies, not another group who is often hurt.

> This is not true, men are more open in general, and women, especially white women, have the strongest bias. Women will even refuse to date ethnic men they find attractive.

Well, how about blaming society instead of the individual? Behind every such woman there is a father and mother who repeatedly told her how bad these "other" people are and to never bring one home, etc. Or even just implicitly meaning that. It takes time to "heal" a society and interracial couples are much more acceptable than even just a decade age.

> Which is all around the most important

The science simply doesn't back this up. And nowadays, even without covid, most people meet online where the simplest filters (race, height, face) are the most important. Imagine if men used a "breast size" filter, do you see why this is so disturbing?

> I'm fairly sure each culture have stereotypes of other cultures; but it is getting better. I'm sorry if you have been the target of such negative stereotypes, it's absolutely not okay, but one should not hold grudges against unknown individuals of that society, because it is the same shit.

There is no stereotype like this about white men, they are considered extremely attractive.

> I said a significant percentage of men are misogynistic.

This has not been my experience in general, most men I meet in tech and in the US share your types of beliefs.

> Well, how about blaming society instead of the individual? Behind every such woman there is a father and mother who repeatedly told her how bad these "other" people are and to never bring one home, etc. Or even just implicitly meaning that. It takes time to "heal" a society and interracial couples are much more acceptable than even just a decade age.

Even asian women show these biases for only dating white men. A lot of these women are very left-wing, it is not because of their fathers and mothers. They should take responsibility.

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