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Taiwan fits all criteria under international law for a country. Plus CCP would kill hundreds of thousands or millions during a forceful invasion of Taiwan.

Laws always have loopholes. It's clear that the CCP would be doing something evil by attacking a peaceful island nation. They want control.

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> Plus CCP would kill hundreds of thousands or millions during a forceful invasion of Taiwan.

> They want control.

Does not add up. Who're they going to control if they kill millions? I mean, why do they even have to start a military offensive when they can eventually outcompete Taiwan? Just think how many top-rated universities China has.

> Does not add up. Who're they going to control if they kill millions?

Their citizens on the mainland. The CCP believes that if they don't look good, their days are numbered and revolution will be inevitable.

A survey conducted by the Harvard Kennedy School found that satisfaction with the central government in China rose from 86.1% in 2003 to 93.1% in 2016: https://ash.harvard.edu/publications/understanding-ccp-resil...

Is the US government's abysmal approval rating by comparison a sign of our free thinking and freedom, or do you think we'll have a revolution here soon?

This is laughable. Chinese citizens are required to approve of their government, lest they run afoul of the national social credit system. That the study was conducted by a Western organization is irrelevant. Chinese citizens know that their communications with the West are not private, and perhaps even especially subject to monitoring and intrusion from their government.

Edit: I usually don't call out blatant CCP astroturfing on this site. But I want to draw everyone's attention to the video that u/xtian just shared in the comment below. It's clearly Chinese Communist Party propaganda. It's tagged #serpentza and #laowhy86 because those are the two most famous Western streamers who have lived in China for decades. The CCP specifically targets people who watch their videos for counter programming. I'm done interacting with this "person", but will respond to comments from others.

Check out serpentza's youtube for the truth about China:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl7mAGnY4jh4Ps8rhhh8XZg

Yeah true the only way to know their real interests is to listen to the West. That's why when native Chinese people say the social credit system doesn't exist I call them liars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaPvnGhbj9A

Edit: chitowneats, if you don't believe I'm a real person message me on Keybase. We can discuss whatever you'd like. Or just keep believing it's impossible for any real person to have political views that fall outside the boundaries set by NATO propaganda.

Anyone here with any technical literacy knows that the fact that you have a keybase account, and associated pseudonym, does not prove anything.

Edit: Response to the comment below. Being rate limited.

The West is past the point of naively believing that the CCP does not have multi-decade information ops being conducted against their governments and citizenry.

Also, that was exactly your assertion. What would be the point of bringing up your irrelevant keybase account if it was not an attempt to mislead me and others on this site?

Thank you for your insightful comments and sorry for the hate you receiving by not towing the NATO line!

> This is laughable. Chinese citizens are required to approve of their government, lest they run afoul of the national social credit system.

It’s your word against someone else’s. I only know about China from personal anecdotes. And you know what, whenever I ask my Chinese colleague if these things are true she tells me it’s bs. So what do I believe?

And when you resort dehumanizing your opponent is when you start loosing the argument. When you say that guy is on CCP payroll, you basically claim it’s impossible for a person to have an opinion that differs from yours. Which is ironic since you’re bashing China for being an evil dictatorship.

Because the people who answer the survey cannot freely express their mind, otherwise another mysterious group of people will start to kill them and their families. Everyone knows CCP controls these assassins through their seat at the High Table. Free tip: you can hide inside the Continental Hotel where these assassins cannot kill you on that ground.

Don’t forget organ harvesting and rape squadrons.

They're going to remain in control of the mainland population, by giving them a big patriotic victory. (And by delivering on what they said, over and over, that they were going to do.)

It's about more than the population of Taiwan or the strategic importance of its chips: it means control of the South Chinese Sea. Between the US Navy and Taiwan's alliance, China's broader ambitions for economic and military control of the region are stymied.

> Taiwan fits all criteria under international law for a country.

Taiwan claims that they're not separate from China. Their disagreement is over who should be in charge, not whether they're the same country currently engaged in a power struggle between regions.

Sure, they claim that. Try traveling from one to the other (either direction) without crossing border control. Or, try to find the common point of authority in the command structures of their respective militaries. They're two countries, no matter what they say they are.

You're confusing two things. The context of the discussion was International Law. You're talking about practical reality which is almost orthogonal to international law.

Yeah because if they claimed they were separate they would cross the CCP's "red line".

The Taiwan populace doesn't want to take over the mainland.

There's literally no way you can spin this that makes sense besides the CCP wants control of a physical island to push out the US/Japan.

It's not peaceful to play host aggressive armies and navies.

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