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I've been doing it for close to 10 years. I hate trying to navigate on friends/parents smart tvs. They are slow, the UI doesnt always make a lot of sense, the cable provider guide always seems to be fighting with the smart tv guide/pages.

Is that really a nice and clean UI compared to Windows which most people are familiar with?

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Things have evolved a lot in the last 10 years. I've had an HTPC for that long as well, and it has its place but if you spend a bit more than the $20 for the cheapest streaming sticks, any of the modern streaming devices are extremely snappy and responsive and much more enjoyable to navigate via a remote than dealing with a wireless keyboard and mouse. The smoothness of the video stream is also in general better from my experience than streaming via a webbrowser. And that's setting aside all the downsides of HTPC streaming due to losing out on 4K, HDR and 5.1 audio streams.

I love my HTPC, but its role has changed over the years in my living room.

I totally agree that Smart TV interface is abysmal. I bought the latest LG OLED with WebOS thinking it would be the closest to "the future". So wrong. The OS hangs consistently. Apps don't load. When you start adding streaming sticks and multiple remotes, everything gets confusing. Still. It's 2021.

I think this speaks to the opportunity ahead for TVs rather than an argument for attaching a PC. Why can't all these HDMI sticks just be virtual devices? Provide an app store that gives you a Roku or Firestick. Why is identifying me and signing into all my streaming services still so difficult and full of friction? There is so much runway for simply a better TV. Start with good hardware. Build up a modern operating system that is smooth and just works. Don't even have a built in remote. Start with the assumption that all my interaction will be with 3rd party remotes and make them all work with zero/one touch. When I start interacting with a remote, the TV should know what I am trying to do (PS4, Xbox, Roku, Apple TV, etc) and simply respond with the interface. The core HW operating system should be nearly invisible. Stay out of the way. No Ads. no app stores. No crap. Build all of that in layers on top.

Imagine a specific example:

1. I purchase a Roku _remote_.

2. I unbox the remote and point it at my TV.

3. My TV downloads the Roku virtual stick and starts giving me the Roku interface. In the background. As a user, I don't care about any of that crap.

4. Roku accesses a touchid or faceid to load my account.

5. Roku installs all my apps I use automatically.

6. The apps on Roku call Roku APIs to identify me and sign me into these apps automatically (Netflix, Hulu, etc).

With the right TV and _hardware_ OS, the TV experience could be so much better.

And don't get me started on channel guides. The whole premise of assuming events are pre-planned on a fix statically scheduled grid is soooo old school. Center the TV guide around "events" rather than a grid of time slots. Events are the centerpiece of live TV, from news to sports. You basically just need 2 flows to cover all of TV: on demand "content" and "events".

EDIT: I would also add some "pre" and "post" concept around events. This could hook social media into the TV. Every app from Clubhouse, Twitter, Live podcasts, etc. could plug into a pre or post show for key events they cover.

The experience is smoother with Roku TV. You only have one UI to deal with.

I don't have one, but I can believe it. However, as we have just witnessed, we can't lock ourselves into a single streaming provider as an OS. Business agreements can end. I think what we want with HW is the ability to use these providers as low-level apps. Start with the assumption that the TV is simply a pass through device but gives platforms control of the full screen only when _their_ remote is in use. Build the user interface around full screen control that is only pre-emptible with remote accessory.

> 1. I purchase a Roku _remote_.

> 5. Roku installs all my apps I use automatically.

Maybe I'm missing something that should have been implied, but whose Roku is this (and how does it know), and why should your remote have any say about which apps (read: remote code execution) it installs?

Its your Roku hardware remote that you buy. When the remote is paired with the TV, the tv recognizes the remote (HW signed, TV manufacturer approves this whitelist), the tv downloads the roku operating system and starts running it. This simply replaces wasteful HDMI interfaces, SoCs, etc and provides hooks for the tv to have better control over the experience. You could imagine extending this to video game controllers like Amazon Luna or Google Stadia.

It varies wildly my TV manufacturer. My parent's smart TV is god-awful to navigate. You have to go into an app to get to the streaming apps...like what?

But my TV has Roku built-in and it's smooth as silk for the most part. Most of the issues I encounter are app-related. Like HBO Max is really clunky, but Netflix is rock-solid.

Yeah, my Roku Streaming Stick+ plays everything just fine. The only thing I use Kodi on my Pi for these days is anime with SSA/ASS formatted subtitles since the Roku can only handle SRT format, which means you don't get nice formatting for times when there's one subtitle for dialogue at the same time as a subtitle for a piece of text

Maybe this is a semantics argument but if you have to add something additional to the TV for it to play well then it doesnt really seem like that speaks to the quality of the TV UI.

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