Comment by HappyDreamer | Hacker News Reader

Comment by HappyDreamer | Hacker News Reader

This hate is a bit present, still today. In Stockholm, Sweden, 5 years ago:

"Death to the Armenian dogs",

said B. Leylani, who was, back then, the vice president of the Turkish National Association of Sweden. The spectators (Turkish extremists?) were cheering. Later he had to resign (there are also, of course, kind and reasonable people in that organization, who don't want any more genocides, and I presume they didn't like what he said).

Apparently when the genocidal state, the Ottoman Empire, doesn't get defeated in a war (like happened to the nazis), and doesn't get removed / put in prison, then the genocidal ideas can a bit live on and be somewhat strong, 100 years later.

I'm not saying that people in Turkey would be like that. Angry extremists are always few, in comparison to the many more people who are silent, right. I have friends who are Turkish (they don't like Erdagon b.t.w.).

In the Swedish news: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/starka-reaktioner-efter-t...

A video recording: https://www.facebook.com/The-state-of-Turkey-uncensored-1502...

"Annihilate" is another word he was using.

"Angry extremists are always few"

But they are often supported by large portions of the general population, such as widespread support of the Nazi regime among ordinary Germans, widespread support of the Soviet totalitarian regime by their citizens (millions of which were murdered by the same regime), widespread support of Mao's Cultural Revolution, of Pol Pot, of countless civil wars (and just plain wars) all over the globe and throughout time.

Humans have not proven to be a very peaceful species, and it doesn't take much for them to lunge for each other's throats.

You'll find the same sentiments among Russians, Moroccans, Israelis, Japanese, Serbians... The Germans may be almost unique in that they took full responsibility for the crimes their state committed.

Let me continue with that list of countries: USA, UK...

It's usually rare though.

The largest fascist/ultra far right organization in Germany (by far) are the Turkish Grey Wolves, while ethnic Turks make up about 4% of the population. There are approximately the same amount of ethnic Russians living in Germany, but Russian far right groups aren't known to be relevant in Germany.

I grew up with quite a few Turks in Germany, and all but one were extremely nationalistic and supremacist. It appears that Turkish culture and their historical narratives are different from others. You don't e.g. hear about the Japanese today talking about Koreans as vermin, but it's common to hear those tones from Turkey.

I don't know anything about Japanese talking about Koreans as vermin, but do know you can hear Chinese talking about Japanese as devils. I think the dictatorial regimes are (at least partly) to blame. They use nationalism and supremacism to make the people forget internal issues.

I think that's different. The Chinese were invaded and violently occupied by the Japanese, that would be more like Jews (or Poles) speaking of Germans as Murderers.

The supremacist angle is the German concept of "Untermensch" (sub-human) in comparison to the "Übermensch". I believe the Japanese had similar notions, but I don't think they're prevalent (and certainly not voiced) now.

What about Americans btw? I mean maybe they don't talk like that but they went to optional wars in Vietnam, Iraq costing millions of innocent lives. Just saying...

Not a lot of Americans deny the genocide of Native Americans or the slave trade, do they? You have a point, but at least the US president has admitted that the Iraq war was a mistake.

Which president, wasn't Trump right? Or Bush...

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