Apple to boost ads business as iPhone changes hurt Facebook
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so clearly they are planning to expand their ad services a lot of places not just the app store
It is a huge deal. Apple is screwing up facebook, in order to promote themselves. I'm shocked if there are no anti trust implications.
Facebooks own challenging behaviour needs to be adressed, of course, but by taking this alleged step, Apple is demonstrating that we shouldn't rely on them to do so.
Besides, i hate irrelevant ads coming up on my search results, and apple don't even have the miserable excuse of needing the income to maintain their Store.
Facebook runs ads and tracking inside the Facebook app. Apple isn't stopping them from doing that, it's just making users aware of how that sausage is made. It's not like they are showing their own ads inside of the Facebook app.
The App Store today is barely any less skeevy that app stores of old, like GetJar.com or whatever I was downloading apps on for my Win Mobile 6.1 BlackJack phone in 2007. If they choose to weigh it down with even more ads, that's their prerogative.
lets just call a spade a spade. For better or for worse Apple's steps are essentially screwing up facebooks business model. Now to do that out of "privacy concern" is at the very least, morally bankrupt
As to your second point about App stores 'skeevines', i shall concede to you due to lack of knowledge.
As to making more ads being a prejorative of Apple, i'm still not happy with ads and certainly not more, and less specific ads.
If you need an argument in support of why Apple's move is really targeted at publishers like Facebook, take a look at the ATT/app tracking transparency prompt that Apple have designed.
It doesn't call out any of the benefits of allowing tracking (healthy for the free app ecosystem, helps publishers), rather it's just:
"Allow {app} to track your activity across other companies' apps and websites?"
They chose to become a sharecropper on Apple's farm.
Facebook still works on web browsers and iOS offers one. Whatever problems Facebook has with that are shared with all other websites that don't want third party cookies blocked on iOS. Facebook hasn't been personally targeted here.
Disclaimer: I didn’t read the article because it’s behind a paywall. I’ll stand by it not mattering for the purposes of this discussion though.
https://biblehub.com/exodus/34-14.htm
"For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:"
“He suggested that Apple now wishes to regain this level of control. “If Apple cripples mobile advertising, then the App Store becomes the primary discovery point for apps again, and Apple decides how people use our iPhones, Apple decides which apps are the most popular,” he said.”
The two things should be treated as separate issues (the latter perhaps should be a topic of upcoming antitrust talks)
Giving users privacy is indeed a good thing, but Apple is not an ethical company so I’m not sure why they should get the benefit of the doubt. Without inside information into the reasoning, it is wrong to assume they are doing this for peoples privacy. They could just as easily be doing it for selfish reasons.
Let this be a reminder to all of Hacker News that “no corporation is altruistic”. Always assume “evil” by default, until proven otherwise.
I have a metric ton of criticisms for Apple, and I hope they get slapped with antitrust charges in the future. But the privacy changes we're talking about here are good and should be implemented on other platforms like Android as well. They also represent an important shift in the privacy debate towards consumer control and consumer education that is long overdue and should be praised.
So don't be naive, but also don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Apple is definitely going to abuse their position, but there are other ways to handle that problem than letting Facebook have free reign to track whatever they want.
Apple could afford to be 'the good guy' as long as hardware margins were crushing the competition. But that phase is over. Apple is now also a 'services company', and without the dense MBA-speak of a Stratechery article, that means ads.
Can you imagine the iPod interrupting music playback to show you ads for products on iTunes? Well, that's how Apple Music works now, by nagging you to subscribe to its paid service[0]. A $1000 iPhone/iPad can't play audio files out of the box without showing ads.
Lol, the Youtube app on my Android phone (and Youtube music) do the exact same thing. Every time I open up the app on my phone, I get a gazillion prompts to sign up for a free trial of some new Youtube feature or service (TV, ads-free, listen to music offline etc).
I'm looking into alternative music player apps to replace the Youtube Music app, though I'm not sure how to avoid Youtube itself given that all the interesting content is on there.
I use YouTube Vanced w/ microG on Android. No ads. I also have NewPipe that allows for downloading to MP4 or MP3.