All: when you take a thread like this further into political flamewar, here is what we end up with: "all $country1 society is living in a hateful state", "I am totally for dragging $country2 into a bloody war", and "I'd sign up in heartbeat to take a gun to $country3".
Is that the kind of community you want to be part of? If so, please find a different one. If no, then please don't take HN threads further into political or nationalistic flamewar. It's shameful. It would count as violence too, if internet forums weren't such teapots.
No more of this, please—where by "this" I mean any vector pointing to that hellish reductio, not just the ones that actually get there. What to do instead: have thoughtful, curious conversation. If you can't have thoughtful, curious conversation, please don't post until you can.