Should HN automatically post the suicide prevention lines on posts that mention suicide and have a certain number of votes? I feel like it should.
> Provide information on warning signs of suicide risk as well as hotline and treatment resources. At a minimum, include the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline and Crisis Text Line (listed below) or local crisis phone numbers.
https://reportingonsuicide.org/
I don't think I would expect this from a scientific paper but it doesn't seem inappropriate for HN.
Can I flip this around? Why did you feel compelled to post that, in particular the last clause ("data as opposed to a feeling") which seems surprisingly dismissive of a position on a subject that by your own admission you lack expertise with?
I'll be honest: that looks like anti-woke virtue signalling if I ever saw it.
Is it adequate, does it cover the use case of people that don’t want to be here anymore?
Does the common sense have any peer reviewed backing? (I previously wrote quantitative, which I would like to evaluate in the peer reviewed study)
If my question provided no introspection for you, do you really think asking me my own question provided introspection for me? I am still left curious. Still lacking the context, I think the current approach is feelings based, emotion, based on heavy reactive assumptions that don’t address anything, but I don't actually know.
Regarding the phrasing, I’m actually trying not to come across with my actual pretty negative opinions of this because I’m hoping someone will actually explain the cause and effect before I make those conclusions known.
Explain the common sense, if the answer is “actually only a small sliver of some suicide is adequately addressed by simply talking about and we have no study and no other information about the other suicides” then just say that. I would be a lot more content if people were just able to say that or cite some other stat. As opposed to copypasta and group think.
I’m not necessarily convinced that “help” is the right word for all use cases, and think people just don't want to honestly talk about. So lets just start with the basics of basics, why are we doing this.
This is more taunting hyperbole. It doesn't leave me with the impression that you want to take this seriously, and more that you want to position yourself in yet another culture war skirmish.
Is there any evidence that such support lines actually help prevent suicide?
https://www.healthyplace.com/suicide/how-does-a-suicide-prev...
"It is difficult to gather strict evidence about the effectiveness of suicide prevention hotlines, but Dr. Madelyn Gould of Columbia University found that of Lifeline callers:
12% of suicidal callers said that talking to someone at Lifeline prevented them from harming or killing themselves
Almost 50% followed through with a counselor's referral to seek emergency services or contacted mental health services
About 80% said that Lifeline had something to do with keeping them alive"In my experience, the "talking off the ledge" was always the most important part in the moment. I found that the follow up from someone who knows what they're doing helped keep me away from the ledge too.
I feel like a lot more work could be done in this area, but I'm not in psych and I wouldn't know where to contribute.
Very trivial nudges have been known to help people who have had suicidal thoughts and prevented them from committing actions.
But we don't know if it does. It sounds like a kind of thing that does almost nothing on its own and becomes irrelevant the moment a halfway decent solution is found.