An environmental disaster was uncovered off California after 70 years
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Although this story is about toxic waste disposal, another big character here is DDT. It’s crazy to me that a substance invented in 1939 was accepted so immediately for broad use and application only to be later identified as dangerous and then banned. This article notes that beaches were sprayed with it to keep bugs away - and now it’s considered a probable carcinogen. This reminds me of similar findings for other substances like BPA, pthalates, etc. For any artificial substance that we introduce into the environment or food chain or human bodies, how can we know its long term effects? What method is there to know ahead of time that some new material, medicine, or whatever else is a lurking carcinogen or hormone disruptor or whatever? Often times those who hold suspicion about such effects are derided as luddites or conspiracy theorists, but it also seems that societal opinion got it wrong in very bad ways on many instances. And we only come to find out decades later.
There are now some countries where, in order to use new substance, it first needs to be declared as safe (and approved by agencies like EFSA). While in other countries they use it until it is proven that it is not safe.
>>> sea lions have cancer.
connecting with the recent sea urchin explosion:
could it be that this poisoning had long lasting repercussions on the sea lion population and thus for the whole ecosystem off of californias coast?You got it wrong, they are talking about percentage of sea lions stranded ill, that is a different issue than percentage of the whole population of sea lions. Is like saying that 80% of people that enter in an hospital are ill and concluding that 80% of people in the city is ill.
That cancer started at the same time, so is suspicious, for sure.
This is the USA, my friend! Land of the regulation-free, home of the brazen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_disposal_of_radioactive_...
My generation has been robbed of the ability to look forward due to the necessity of constantly cleaning up the mess of previous generations.
At least we're learning, slowly, but there might be just as much hazardous stuff going on today that we're not aware of yet. (slightly related: end of history illusion, dunning kruger effect).
The sea lion cancer problem seems to be a sexually transmitted disease. [2] Pollution may make this worse, but it's not clear that DDT is the culprit. Some sources say PCBs may be responsible.
[1] https://www.acsh.org/news/2016/02/11/how-poisonous-is-ddt
[2] https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/03/31/marin-study-rev...
[0] https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2014/12/28/thieves-fry-ke...
First, DDT was actually not globally banned for disease control and still isn't. What was banned was the indiscriminate broadcast spraying for agricultural pest control. DDT is still used in local applications on thatch and other rough surface walls where its excito-repellent effect (insects find contact with it irritating) keeps insects away with much less chance of developing local resistance. This disrupts the transmission chain between people and mosquitoes in both directions.
Second, for most purposes it has been replaced with pyrethroid insecticides, largely due to resistance concerns.
Third, the malaria case-rebound in the 1960s was indeed due to premature discontinuation on interior residual spraying programmes but that had nothing to do with a ban on DDT (still used for this purpose today) and everything to do with errors in data evaluation.
Previous eradication campaigns in Southern Europe and the US had been based on a combination of source control (draining swamps, removing breeding locations near dwellings), improving agricultural worker housing with treated nets, window mesh etc., education about the dangers of being outside at dusk unprotected, personal mosquito repellent, and chemical means such as IRS of interior walls with DDT and larvicides in remaining stagnant water. In addition, chloroquine became cheap and widely available through the 50s and this meant that people spent much less time at high infection levels where they were able to spread malaria back to mosquitos. Chloroquine resistance developed later.
Once this led to a substantial drop in malaria prevalence, the model switched to a medical one of case surveillance and isolation. In most places, humans are the only malaria reservoir (there is some disagreement as to whether there are relevant animal reservoirs in parts of Africa where malaria is holoendemic. The CDC says that humans are the only reservoir for malaria, I'm not sure that is definitely true everywhere but on the other hand I don't know as much about malaria as the CDC does.) so keeping humans from spreading it to mosquitos will work once you've knocked down the mosquito reservoirs enough.
This worked very well and led to widespread eradication success in much of the world. It did not work in India and Sri Lanka and was never even attempted on a sufficiently large scale in Africa (in parts of South Central Africa the prevalence was and is nearly universal so the threshold required for local eradication is higher than in places like Florida and Sardinia where it was an occasional disease of agricultural workers). Why did it fail in India and Sri Lanka, despite the fact that DDT continues to be produced and used for vector control there?
They switched to the medical treatment phase based on incomplete data. This switch didn't happen in other places until virtually all properties had spent several years receiving IRS and other steps had been in place for years, by the time that IRS stopped there was essentially no transmission of malaria. In Sri Lanka, they stopped it at a predetermined prevalence number but we later found that real prevalence was probably much higher than that.
Sardinia is a useful comparator. First, it is a moderate sized island so once cleared it can stay cleared with cheap countermeasures. Second, the "eradication programme" which lasted from 1946 - 1950 was enormously expensive (in the summer of 1948 as many as 30,000 people worked on drainage and brush clearance) and didn't actually manage to completely eradicate anopheles anyway. Such a programme was possibly only by external funding (essentially as part of Cold War manoeuvring over political control of Italy). Third, this came only after decades of pre-war investment in other measures to reduce malaria on the island. Between 1900 and 1914 alone, malaria mortality was reduced by almost a factor of 10 and the interwar governments undertook substantial drainage programmes which further reduced breeding locations for Anopheles.
The claim that the DDT ban led to millions of deaths therefore depends on:
-There being a ban, which there is not
-The counterfactual of a Florida/Sardinian style combined arms campaign including DDT and completely wiping out malaria but being made impossible only by the lack of DDT which is also not the case.
People often counter the claim with a correction to only the first point but the second is at least as important.
First of all, something does not have to be totally banned for FUD to be harmful. Take for example, anti-vax. Even though vaccines are available, it can still be harmful.
On more positive example, education and warning labels have decreased tobacco use in the US, even without a ban.
You mention that DDT programs were stopped prematurely because of bad data. However, how much did the FUD against DDT contribute to governments feeling pressure to stop DDT use, and then finding/not scrutinizing data that suggested they could stop?
In Sri Lanka in particular, it was always scheduled to stop in 1963. The question is whether they might have re-started it earlier had it not been for the publication of Silent Spring the year before (n.b. Rachel Carson never called for DDT to be banned and only thought that indiscriminate use of any pesticide needed to be carefully considered). I'm not sure, maybe? But I doubt that this would affect Sri Lankan government policy towards a disease that had killed so many people.
This: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure?id=10.1371/... is a good timeline of the Sri Lankan programme. A few things are apparent:
-The policy of indoor residual spraying (with DDT) works very well and knocks malaria way down.
-Discontinuation of the spraying programme was after a few years of very low (reported) cases.
-After the '67 outbreak, DDT IRS immediately restarted and was subsequently replaced by malathion IRS. DDT also discolours walls so there is a higher tolerance of alternatives, especially as case rates fall and people's memory of losing children to malaria starts to fade.
Sri Lanka was only able to finally complete eradication after the end of the war with the LTTE and is sufficiently connected to India that the "eradication" has to be consider provisional.
We can also look at the experience in South Africa. They stopped using DDT in 1996 and banned its use domestically, P. funestus re-emerged from neighbouring countries with a resistance to pyrethroids but not to DDT. This might seem like a case where the worry over DDT was harmful to human health even where it could usefully have been used but South Africa immediately unbanned it and deployed it in an indoor spraying campaign so I think it's actually an example of effective regulatory flexibility.
DDT is likely to be carcinogenic in humans. [0][1] Indirect exposure is unlikely to do much, but it is moderately toxic [2], and can cause complications around fertility [3] in humans.
[0] https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/roc/content/profiles/dichlorod...
[1] https://publications.iarc.fr/71
[2] https://www.who.int/ipcs/publications/pesticides_hazard_rev_...
This Techinical Fact Sheet [2] has details quite a few alarming impacts to wildlife in general (birds, fish) and also to mammals.
For example • Mammals exposed to moderate doses (500 mg/kg) of DDT (technical) have an increased risk of liver tumors(1). • In a two generation study of mice fed low doses (2 mg/kg/day) of DDT for life, the males are twice as likely to develop liver tumors (1).
Your DDT is not hazardous to mammals is not born out by science, even in your source.
1 - https://whs.rocklinusd.org/documents/Science/Lethal_Dose_Tab...
<rolls eyes>
Come on. He didn't say it was safe for widespread indiscriminate use. He said it's not that hazardous to mammals.
Based on the sources and TFA that seems like a pretty fair conclusion. If it were seriously hazardous, like arsenic or mercury levels of hazardous, it wouldn't need to accumulate at the top of the food chain to cause health problems in the animals that are exposed.
That said, he was a fool to not expect that, HN being HN, someone would come along to score some cheap virtue points with a more encompassing definition of "that hazardous".
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/American_Council_on_Sc...