Of justice which the human mind can frame,
Intent each lurking frailty to disclaim,
And guard the way of life from all offense
Suffered or done.
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Wordsworth.
>that's a word that has a sad history and I hope we get rid of it in the context of our daily lives
Please dont start that cancel culture nonsense because the word has previously been used in a way you don't like. You are a symptom of a society that lacks personal and community values to live by, believing mockery of pursuing the narrow, straight path. Im not talking out of my anus either, Im guilty as much as anyone here of perpetuating tech that has and will prostitute whole generations of people in ways never seen in human history. Think a little before you write.
Honor in terms of death and politics is often a manipulated distortion of what is right.
Doing the right thing is often difficult, and this notion is used to manipulate people into killing each other.
There is honor in not selling your dignity for money, or in doing the right thing when it is unpopular or difficult.
There is no honor in killing people to enforce an oppressive power structure. It's about your personal choices, it's not inherently political.
You’re not wrong, but anyone can do “the right thing” when the incentives are aligned already. I’d say that honor requires one to do the right thing even when doing the wrong thing could be immensely profitable, and even when nobody would know.
I used the word "Honorable," as it seemed more effective than "Integral" (as in "having Integrity).
As far as I know, that word isn't on any blacklist. If it ends up there, I'll find an alternative.
In the meantime, I'd gently suggest that accusing decent folks of supporting the murder of female children might not be the most effective way to start good relationships.
I don't think "honorable" has the same meaning and I did not even see it when I read you post.
I specifically edited my post to explain I was not accusing parent of supporting murder but maybe you were already writing yours and did not see that part.
No it is just on my blacklist and the only way I can enforce that blacklist is by trying remind anybody who uses it whence it came. Not trying to launch a censorship campaign by any means.
'honor killing' is a result of corporate identity -- cultural understandings of the self as inseparable from the family that created you. western culture generally does not carry this view, and treats people as individuals. individual honor is generally not burdened by the actions of your relatives unless one plays a direct role in them.
You're conflating honor and valor. Honor can be derivative of valor, certainly, but they are distinct. What you're insinuating is that the military teaches honor and valor, but that'd be impossible even if they wanted to. What they do teach is a team mentality, where the safety of your fellow team mates comes before your own. I'm reminded of the story of Jason Dunham [0], citation:
For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while serving as Rifle Squad Leader, 4th Platoon, Company K, Third Battalion, Seventh Marines (Reinforced), Regimental Combat Team 7, First Marine Division (Reinforced), on 14 April 2004. Corporal Dunham's squad was conducting a reconnaissance mission in the town of Karabilah, Iraq, when they heard rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire erupt approximately two kilometers to the west. Corporal Dunham led his Combined Anti-Armor Team towards the engagement to provide fire support to their Battalion Commander's convoy, which had been ambushed as it was traveling to Camp Husaybah. As Corporal Dunham and his Marines advanced, they quickly began to receive enemy fire. Corporal Dunham ordered his squad to dismount their vehicles and led one of his fire teams on foot several blocks south of the ambushed convoy. Discovering seven Iraqi vehicles in a column attempting to depart, Corporal Dunham and his team stopped the vehicles to search them for weapons. As they approached the vehicles, an insurgent leaped out and attacked Corporal Dunham. Corporal Dunham wrestled the insurgent to the ground and in the ensuing struggle saw the insurgent release a grenade. Corporal Dunham immediately alerted his fellow Marines to the threat. Aware of the imminent danger and without hesitation, Corporal Dunham covered the grenade with his helmet and body, bearing the brunt of the explosion and shielding his Marines from the blast. In an ultimate and selfless act of bravery in which he was mortally wounded, he saved the lives of at least two fellow Marines. By his undaunted courage, intrepid fighting spirit, and unwavering devotion to duty, Corporal Dunham gallantly gave his life for his country, thereby reflecting great credit upon himself and upholding the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and the United States Naval Service
Seeking honor in the service is generally a good thing - in so much as that you do the right thing even when people won't be looking; seeking valor is fairly frowned upon. Generally when I hear a story about people seeking valor you can tell the person in the story is highly annoyed, because it's considered excess risk and flies in the face of the values of the services.