I think it is fair to say that no matter how much we go back and forth on this, we are never going to agree.

The gulf between what you perceive and what I saw is far too great a chasm to cross.

If we carried on, it'd probably get heated or it'd end up being a massive wasted effort.

I've been through this rodeo too many times before. I spend the effort to go find objective sources that prove the claims I make only to be met with shifting goal posts and denialism.

For example the link literally describing the PB getting declared a terrorist organization. We're just hand waving that one away are we?

Anyways ... That was a rhetorical question. I've seen the way this all goes.

In order to preserve my own sanity and respect the sanctity of hackernews' no flamewars policy I'm just going to tell you that I disagree and wish you a peaceful day.