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>What I did love about perl though — something I don't find in modern languages — is its carefree playfulness, which must have stemmed from the hacker culture associated with it. I still chuckle every time I use Carp for debugging. Carp::croak, Carp::confess, or Carp::cluck are genius!

As someone who works with a legacy system written in Perl (we're slowly moving to Go), I absolutely hate this. It's completely obscure for no reason, and that's just not fun. I'm glad no language does this anymore.

Same goes for Perl critic levels: --brutal | --cruel | --harsh | --stern | --gentle, they're all compleyely useless at conveying any meaning! why is brutal > cruel??

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That same feeling of carefree playfulness is also the reason I keep meaning to give Raku a visit. They're pretty explicit about it even with pages like https://raku.org/fun/ and https://raku.org/whatever/. It looks like they've done some interesting stuff around making text-based command line tools really easy to work with, which makes sense since that was a huge part of perl5's wheelhouse, so I think that may be a good place to start digging into Raku.

I have played with Raku a bit over the years, but haven't taken it up for any major projects.

But I have found the experience incredibly useful. Using Raku is like working with advanced alien technology. My experience with it changed the way I write other code.

I recommend playing with Raku for mind expansion.

erg that's one thing I hate about modern tools, they love to use stupid terminology like helm with charts and salt with pillars and all this other childish shit.

they love to use stupid terminology like helm with charts and salt with pillars and all this other childish shit

Chef is the worst for this

Yeah, Helm and K8s are not great in that regard, but the overwrought metaphors do end pretty quickly in favor of naming things for what the actually are.

I suppose that because you can be cruel with somebody without touching it physically. Being brutal involves cruelty + physical violence, thus is more than cruel.

I concur. My English is pretty good, but to fully master these naming conventions, one needs to major in English.

For Christ's sake, I keep forgetting what "croak" and "cluck" even are in, you know, normal language usage.

Same, croak and cluck don't map with actual words or meaning in my mind. I just know croak is fatal and cluck is not. It's infuriating.

There are built-in "die" and "warn" that do (kinda) the same thing and which I tend to be using all the time.

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