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A co-worker of mine formed her own private high school — while in public high school — and then graduated herself from it. She was running a successful business already, so it made sense to her at the time.
I was pretty shocked to learn this because I had no idea something like that was possible, and might have considered that route as well (although who's to say it would have turned out better?). For self-motivated, intellectual kids, I think it would be a dream come true — at least myself and several folks I went to high school with would have chosen to enroll in college classes much earlier, or do self-directed study, if we had the choice.
But I'm going to guess the overwhelming majority of people who think it isn't for them actually need it quite a bit.
I also think for self motivated intellectual kids, completing high school anyways really isn't much of a roadblock or time waster.
For me, it was a choice that I have never regretted (except for not going to the prom). It put me on a career track where I was years ahead of my peers.
For my kids, not so much. They had such bad experiences in high school that they are sour on higher education. I am still working on convincing them to finish a college degree, but I feel like a hypocrite because I did not get mine until age 50. Back when I was their age, I was lucky to work in jobs were nobody cared whether or not I had a degree. Today it's impossible to get a "professional" job without a degree.
I was also fortunate to find a career path that didn’t require a degree, and while my oldest child had no choice based on her career interests, I’m having the same struggle with my youngest who’s in her freshman year with an undecided major.
Then came university and that all went away, seemingly forever.
The CHSPE was a godsend to me. I fit right in at Jr. College and got along well with my teachers and classmates. The environment was different because my peers were (mostly) emotionally mature, and they wanted to be there. High school was like a prison in comparison.
"Saying that you don't need treatment only further proves that you need treatment."
So, sure, you can get hired as a web developer, or even some non-web development roles, but that's kinda pointless because if you could stand doing boring shit you'd finish the academia to at least a very basic level.
TL;DR: If you couldn't stand the uniformity of school, then the roles available to you without a formal education are going to be just as boring and unrewarding to you anyway.
The last half of my career was spent doing cutting-edge research and development with some of the best and brightest people I have ever known -- about half of them with at least one PHD.
Sometimes ability can make up for lack of credentials, but it is rare.
That is why I hedged my assertion with "likely" :-)
Outliers always exist.
I don’t think trigonometry or foreign language is an essential skill for 99% of people. But explaining simple ideas in writing, or being able to compare the costs of a yearly vs monthly billing plan, or knowing how birth control works are pretty important life skills.
The ones who did (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aorta) biology might remember it :-)
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My take:
You don't learn to remember what you learn. You learn to build roads, pretty much literally inside your brain (it constantly rewires).
It's more like unpaved paths before road building: First there is wilderness, then there is a lot of traffic, and increasingly that traffic concentrates on more and more clear paths.
The learning of "stuff" is creating paths. The things - ideas, knowledge, facts - that you learn are like the carts travelling the paths. They may be gone - but the paths remain.
So even after every single thing is forgotten - every single traveler and cart is no longer there - what remains is the paths. The wiring inside your brain changes in the learning process. You may not remember much of what traveled through your brain, what created the paths, but your brain nevertheless remains changed.
Even if you forget every single thing, the way you think and react will have changed forever.
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Using the metric "what I remember from my courses" is the wrong metric. Instead, it should be "how did my way of thinking change".
I took a lot (really a lot) of (mostly university level) courses long after university, in fields unrelated to my career and previous study. That's when I noticed far more clearly than ever before, despite very good success (I was even made TA a few times), the concrete things I was able to recall even just a year later was really small. Then I noticed it's the same with my core field really.
The concrete things we know is actually rather small. I forgot sooooo much. Only things I use regularly are available in a way that I could pass an exam (school or university). Still, I changed quite a bit, but it's all "meta". I now know the path I have to take instead of being lost. Even if I don't understand the concrete items e.g. in a medical paper (e.g. names of some genes or proteins), instead of feeling lost I have a "feeling" what it is about, and I can easily look it up and understand very quickly because I have a framework ready to receive what I read.
Our actual "memory" is pretty small, it's all about the paths. Literally, in the brain.
I think it is both. It also discourages to think. I had to re-learn most of the things becasue I was told BS in the school. The current school system is outdated because it was designed too long ago.
"Teachers hate her: smart student figures out secret hack for early graduation from high school!"
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Minimal-requirement/self-directed HS does sound like it could be great for some students.
College courses are also so much better than high school courses in so many ways, particularly the freedom and self-determination you enjoy in terms of selecting or rejecting classes, greater flexibility in time scheduling, and choosing whether or not to attend lectures. Not to mention more advanced material and potentially better teaching, lab, and library resources.
I wonder - do you need a high school diploma to enroll at a community college?
It may be better fit for minority of students, but better teaching is that that thing they get there.
From your private school you can setup a coop opportunity for yourself.
Get student discounts. Get school/educator discounts.
What can't you do as a private school with no state requirements?
Now, this was a real school with real paying students who physically went there everyday, real work, and real qualifications for graduation. However, he found out the hard way that it didn't count at all, because his high school wasn't accredited. He constantly had roadblocks put up in front of him because as far as anyone who mattered was concerned he didn't graduate high school because his school wasn't accredited.
He ended up having to get his GED in order to get into massage therapy school. Once he got his GED everything was fine - that "high school equivalent" hard qualification needed for literally everything he was trying to do in life.
So being cutesy with creating your own high school will work just as well as saying you have a degree from the school of hard knocks.
Most community colleges will partner with local high schools allow high performing high schoolers to dual enroll, couple people I know did that.
Aside from the army, I can't think anyone has ever asked me about it.
In cases were it matters, your cutesy personal school isn't going to me the requirements. In cases where it doesn't matter then it just doesn't matter. So creating a school is 100% pointless.
To answer your question, governments and any other employers who have codified job requirements (large ones, mostly), and maybe others. My husband spent two decades in the Navy, was hired for his job based entirely on his Navy experience, and still was required to prove he graduated from high school before starting. I thought it was very silly.
Beyond that, different programs (not specifically employers) my cousin was interested in were requiring his high school to be accredited. Massage school was one of them, there were others he mentioned but this was nearly two decades ago so I don't recall specifics.
I was homeschooled for a bit in the 80s in the UK, but I think it would be considerably harder these days as every form of schooling is subject to OFSTED inspection and there have been a set of scandals relating to tiny religious schools with weird curriculums.
Both of my kids did the same thing, but today the minimum age for taking the test is 16, so they had to suffer one year more than I did.
Many of my homeschooled peers took the CHSPE at 16 then enrolled in a local Jr College and graduated at 18 with an AA
This option is something that should be publicized more widely, and perhaps even encouraged by junior colleges.
I think students in California would greatly benefit from 1) knowing that there are multiple educational options and 2) having the freedom to choose among them.
I've never met anyone in the US of at least high school age who wasn't aware that there exist way(s) to test out, including but not limited to the GED.
I could definitely have graduated from high school a bit earlier if I had wanted to but didn't see the need. I was one of those weird kids that did not actually want to graduate from high school because I liked it so much.
As a homeschooling parent, I de facto ran a private school under California law for some years. I think we listed my husband as the Administrator and me as the teacher, but I did almost everything. He played a really minor role.
A student can do a lot with a modicum of the right guidance. That "right guidance" can be hard to come by. Many adults aren't really equipped to supply that piece.
Edit: By success, I mean the stuff on this page: http://www2.cruzio.com/~beachhi/students.html
There are also movements like https://www.nocsdegree.com/.
Is this still a thing? Does anyone know how it worked out for any of those kids?
https://www.cde.ca.gov/SchoolDirectory/details?cdscode=44698...
If you read the description, that is clearly the case.
20 years later I'm a working technologist and could probably teach almost all the undergraduate subjects, but I never got that piece of paper.
Universities usually have the ability to award credits for prior knowledge, but I doubt they would respond well to you rocking up and asking for credits in everything.
When I was applying for tech jobs, the lack of degree has never really mattered. Now that I'm self-employed it matters even less, except with things like long-term visas that often have requirements to have a bachelors degree as a minimum.
I don't keep up-to-date with how the computer-science degrees have changed over the years, though I'm not still programming in C/C++ either :)
I did half of my BS this way, it was via an experiential knowledge option at my university. I was at a state school and it boiled down to money either way, so be ready to pay wherever you go. I had to pay most of the tuition for each class and take the final exam for the credit. Saved me 2 years of actual time though.
I did my best learning on my own time, but of course that time was limited since I still had to attend school and also lose free time to homework. My parents would much rather have had vouchers and school choice, or at least the freedom to have me not attend any school, and instead spend my time in a self guided manner (or guided by my parents or some other person or group of our choosing).
I think such freedoms are especially required in this day and age, where schools are turning into ideological battlegrounds to propagandize children. Maybe that was always how it was to some extent, but it seems much more blatant today, with states like CA mandating ethnic studies, and schools injecting politics (like BLM) and critical race theory into schools.
Ultimately I see the massive centralization of education as being at odds with both the individuality of children and also parental choice over how they want to raise their kids. It’s especially dark how far parents’ rights are being reduced when you look at situations like Loudoun County’s schools in Virginia tweeting about silencing parents (https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/29/loudoun-county-crazy-di...). What little choice parents have today is already at risk, with academic ideologues like Harvard’s Elizabeth Bartholet calling for a ban on homeschooling (https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikemcshane/2020/04/21/harvards...).