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With these types of "manufactured" performance groups I don't think there's any question that they are not composers. The Lady Gaga case (she promotes herself as a composer / guitarist / pianist) is much more of an intentional mislead, in my opinion.

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Lady Gaga has chops and is a real artist. This is a video of her performing an original composition in college:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM51qOpwcIM

No argument there. Does she credit her songwriters? Is it well known that she doesn't write 100%? Or does that not matter to anyone because she's so awesome?

> "I have worked with and written with some UNREAL artists who let me into their lives to create with them who deserved their credit and publishing, ..."

I think most people think she falls under this category.

I know that the average clubgoerand radio listener assumes songs are produced entirely by the headline artist. From my life experience advocating for composers.

Stefani Germanotta is a singer, songwriter, musician, actor and dancer of EGOT caliber. She's not just a pretty face, the lady has mad skillz.

I have no dog in this fight and am not even really a fan but always thought Gaga was a legit artist. Do have any proof she's not?

Performers who don't write or produce their own material are still artists and are as legitimate as any others!

I'd say they are performers not artists. The girl running Photoshop is an artist, the HP LaserJet that prints it out isn't. We don't consider choir members to be artists, but if it's just one voice we assume they are?

Now you're just getting into a war about what art is.

The performance is the art. In your analogy printer = PA system.

Who doesn't consider choir members to be artists?

Members of the choir are performing artists. They make artistic choices related to the actual performance of the song, like how to sing the words written on the page.

Members of the choir do not make those choices. The conductor does. The singers are the instrument in that case. Like a pipe in an organ. Their job is to blend and produce the sounds according to the interpretation of the conductor. Source: am a choir member. You will be fired if you interpret the music against the conductor's desires.

If Jascha Heifetz and Murray Perahia aren’t artists then your definition is theatrically absurd.

These days a lot of them can't actually sing without autotune to clean up their caterwauling.

Still artists.

Yes, I'm not complaining that Tina Turner or Diana Ross didn't write the songs they sang (with the odd exception).

Why isn't there a question about manufactured performance groups not being composers? There are manufactured performance groups that are composers and they look just like Blackpink. An example of such a group is GI-DLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I66oFXdf0KU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3szNvgQxHo

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