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Few serious people claim that European countries have been ruined by immigration. The reason for the political backlash has more to do with political motives, and economical changes which have nothing to do with immigration (sharp decrease of low-skill, high wage incomes, etc...).

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Long term citizens of Malmo and certain Paris arrondissements disagree, I think.

Just because you haven't read about the issue in a major US paper doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

"Few serious people" make blanket claims of "few serious people claiming" without realizing they are engaging in a tactic meant to shame someone over expressing an unpopular idea.

They disagree about what ? What does happen ?

As far as unpopular idea go, I think "immigration is good for the economy" is pretty unpopular nowadays in France (and most European countries).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnP-XzB_U0

Ignore the stupid, racist comments.

100% of rapes in Oslo over the last five years committed by Muslims.

http://www.westernyouth.org/articles/shocking-all-rapes-in-o...

I find it highly distressing that the Nordic countries are putting up with this stuff.

Immigration critical parties are gaining more and more popularity (as an example, Swedish Democrats and True Finns).

Great! I don't want a Muslim majority in my new country.

This number doesn't pass the smell test. I might believe that Muslims are committing more rapes that Nordics, but no rapes at all in Oslo by Nordic men?

The only non-blog article I could find on this was from NRK in Norwegian: http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.6944861. Translating through Google, it says the police only starting keeping statistics on rape in 2006 (?!?) and that there were 21 in 2008 and 11 in 2009.

According to Wikipedia, the Oslo metro area has 1.4 million people and Norway has a per capita rape rate of 20 per 100,000. So on average you'd expect something like 280 rapes per year in Oslo. Something here doesn't make sense.

The linked article has an embedded news report. They name the police report in question. You could hunt it down from there.

"Long-term"? The ones rioting in the Parisian banlieues were typically second or third generation (if they were not native). And those riots were caused by a lack of opportunity, not a bleeding dry of the state.

And I live in the UK, and could read anti-immigrant rhetoric in the papers every day. So I'd disagree with your "unpopular idea", more's the pity. For example: http://www.mailwatch.co.uk/tag/immigration/ Popular points of views, widely claimed, and yet I would not call them serious people. But I do think they deserve shame.

The problems in Paris aren't due to immigration by itself. One of the big problems is the how low-cost housing was concentrated in some areas, putting all the less rich/successful people together and making it hard for them to make progress.

Are you people really this deluded about the immigrants? The problems throughout the West are not policy or economic issues. The problem is massive numbers of people with no interest or aptitude to assimilate to Western culture.

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