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Green Investing Is a Fraud

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He's probably right. However there are a ton of people who are perfectly willing to burn down the world only to be buried with their gold.

We do need green legislation with teeth: completely banning single use plastics, fully standardizing plastic packaging and making it super expensive via taxes (but reimbursing returns!), decommissioning all coal power plants in at most 1 decade, banning sales of ICE cars in at most 15 years, etc.

My wife works for a manufacturing industry association and is regularly in meetings where owners and executives rant and rave about single use plastic bans like it is the worst thing to happen to them since the 5 day work week. It's incredibly demoralizing. We're not going to solve enough of these problems for it to matter.

Investing in solar power instead of coal is both helpful and in line with recent trends.

ESG in general is a fraud!

Sure, but then so is the whole “climate emergency” in the first place.

Glad to see the Trotskyites and Stalinists start to turn on each other. If they’re fighting amongst themselves, they’ll never get around to enslaving the rest of us. Good riddance!

How do you figure, about the climate emergency?

You exhale CO2. You exhale viruses. The campaign to remake society in response to these threats is, in its purest essence, a campaign to redefine the free human being as a toxic animal. If successful, it will then be used to justify slavery and murder.

Sorry what? When has anyone ever said breathing is the cause for climate change? Or even talked about disallowing breathing?

“In its purest essence”

Again, you are saying that breathing causes climate change? In its purest essence?

No. I am saying it is not at all a coincidence that these are the biggest/baddest “existential threats” prompting political activism.

The solution to both is to enslave you, ultimately. Not a coincidence!

Who exactly is orchestrating this massive, species-spanning conspiracy?

CO2 is pollution. Do you like to pollute everywhere you go?

If you're defining CO2 as pollution... then you are in fact polluting everywhere you go, because you're breathing.

I’m trying to figure out if this is performance art.

It is information warfare, but real talk, what’s the difference?

> climate emergency

1. What do you think about the Great Garbage Patch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch ?

2. What do you think about micro-plastics?

3. What's your opinion about smog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_New_York_City_smog ?

3. Do you think modern industrial societies are not capable of outputting enough greenhouse gases to alter the climate?

There’s a huge gap between any of this, and a “climate emergency” that justifies slavery to the state.

You do know that you're making super outrageous claims, right?

> slavery to the state

Who's claiming this and what exactly do they mean by "slavery to the state"?

Rule 14.

I can't find anything relevant about this "Rule 14".

Rule 14: Do not argue with trolls — it means they win.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RulesOfTheIntern...

Aaaah. Could have just said "don't feed the troll" :-)

I don’t mind being called a crazy person, as long as we make damn sure that all options to enslave people (even “a little bit”) stay permanently off the table.

Just in case!

Nobody's calling you crazy.

I am however saying that you're making super vague claims with very strong words.

Give more details, please. Otherwise this is all just a random rant. That's ok, but hardly discussion worthy :-)

The only detail necessary here: I don’t trust people like this to control my life, and I will fight infowar, real war, whatever is necessary to ensure that they never get the chance.

The strong words are a deterrent. Feel free to stay on your side of the argument, but just don’t get any dumb ideas.

Your comment is not making much sense, sorry.

I don't understand what you're saying and you're being very vague.

If you're doing it on purpose, oh well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I will go on the record calling this person crazy. We need to stop pandering industry interests and the people they have deceived.

1-3 are specific pollutions. The Great Smog of 1952 also impacted coal-fire and smoke regulations across Europe and America, which immediately improved related illnesses. Removing poison from water and air is not automatically a climate emergency.

> Glad to see the Trotskyites and Stalinists start to turn on each other.

Actually, that has been a thing for ages - even during Trotsky's lifetime he wrote scathingly about Stalin and his policies/politics. (Edit to add this parenthetical comment: Oh, and Stalin had him assassinated in exile.) The piece linked [1] offers some insight into this, and it also shows wider splits, fragmentation and arguments; it is written from a socialist perspective. It's an engaging read.

For drier considerations of Stalinism and Trotskyism, I'd just start with the Wikipedia entries for each - see [2], [3] - and for light relief afterwards, maybe watch the Python film Life of Brian, which actually captures rather well the concept of "splitters" and factions.

[1] https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/1973/...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism

Yep, it is just a figure of speech here.

Oh, OK, my bad. I was taking the words literally, which I suppose means that you probably won't follow the link labelled [1], and probably not the others, either.

However, my recommendation to watch Life of Brian stands :-)

Great movie.

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