It's a mix of software engineers who want to run the latest bleeding-edge framework and the operations engineers who have to make it work in production.

I mean, I want both. Or rather, there's a cutoff point where I am okay with one, or the other. Right now the state of things are in a worst of both worlds scenario. I think cars are:

Too expensive and complex now in the name of "safety". Most additions to required car safety features beyond airbags has been minimal in actual gains compared to the added cost and long term repair complexity induced.

I think entry level cars should be able to be much cheaper and barebones. The recent requirement for backup cameras is one example of too much for too little. I just want a car that gets me from A to B reliably. I don't even care if it has good radio/speakers, power windows, etc.

On the flipside, I hate driving in general. I'll happily pay for a self-driving (or nearly self driving, at least) car with all the gizmos needed to make it work. However I will only "buy" such a car (in the sense of legal ownership) if it has a lifetime warranty or reasonable trade-in guarantees. Otherwise it'd be lease or long term rent only as the repair and upkeep costs on so much proprietary tech would be insane past X years, if its even possible.

Cars are a tool, not a fashion / status symbol for me.

Ah yes, because HN is just one guy

What's your point? The two cars cover drastically different use cases.

There are also people here who want a bicycle.