I'm closer to your age and experienced those recessions but my take away isn't that stocks go down, it's that the government will pull every tool it has to keep the wealthy wealthy.
The fact that a currency crisis and hyperinflation seems unthinkable to many people pours fuel on this. A number of people are pushing the idea that we can and should print as much money as we can to get back to full employment (and even beyond that - "living wage" is the bar now), and they're being taken seriously in government. This has somewhat predictable results - other governments have believed it throughout history, and (like with many things market-related) the point at which people believe it is the point at which it's no longer true.
Heaven forbid we demand an economic system built upon the notion that everyone who works should have the ability to live a decent life with secure food and housing.
It's telling that many see spending and regulating toward this goal as "printing money" unscrupulously, yet when similar orders of magnitude spends are casually allocated toward the Department of Defense on an annual basis not a word is uttered about their utility.
Ultimately living conditions are set by real goods & services, not by the amount of money flowing into a sector. If more money flows in and the supply of real goods remains fixed, it just makes everything cost more. I'd agree that most military spending is a waste of money - why does an F-22 cost $334M? But directing that spending into housing, education, and health care without addressing the supply bottlenecks in those industries will just make housing, health care, and college cost more. We should be building more housing (and particularly, streamlining zoning/permitting requirements so that more developers can enter the market), breaking up big health insurers so that there's more competition in the market and you don't need to put up with Anthem's bullshit, and developing lower-cost alternatives to a 4-year college degree.
On a societal level "more money" is never the answer - "more goods and services" is. You fix shortages by fixing shortages, not by letting everybody pay more for the same musical chairs.
If you recall, at the beginning of the pandemic we we had farms ploughing under crops for lack of demand. Potatoes stacking up to high heavens, farmers offering them free to anyone who'd arrive with a bag to transport them.
The author actually mentions the traditional knobs of monetary policy don't impact the distribution of money at the bottom of the economy where it is needed. That's why the direct stimulus and now family UBI is so different, and should be looked at as imperfect but necessary for addressing the need at hand.
This is not 2009, when there were plenty of people available to work, there was plenty of consumer demand, but there was no money to pay them because the banks gambled it all away. The primary feature of the COVID recession was a massive supply shock and demand shift. We had potatoes piling up not because there were too many potatoes, but because there were no truck drivers and warehouse workers needed to move them from farm to table. We also had record hunger and record food assistance during that time period.
I will abuse this opportunity to talk about why inflation is necessary and why the current way of merely increasing the money supply did not cause inflation.
Dollars are like flour. Just another commodity that can be bought. Instead of benchmarking assets against the dollar we start benchmarking the dollar against a theoretical benchmark currency that always retains its value perfectly and never changes. I will call this benchmark "Effort".
For simplicity we will assume that on day one the value of the dollar is exactly 1 effort until the value of the dollar changes (either through a reduction or increase in money supply).
If the dollar is deflationary and the supply goes down over time then it will become worth more than 1 Effort. As I said earlier the dollar is a commodity just like anything else. This means that if the supply of the dollar shrinks then there is a shortage of dollars, exactly the same way there could be a shortage of houses or a shortage of food. We must create more dollars until the dollar is worth around 1 Effort again.
The question is, where is that supposed shortage of dollars? Who exactly is desperate for liquid cash? Definitively not publicly traded companies and their owners. Holders of cryptocurrencies? Maybe but we are reaching deep into trickle down economics because of the small portion of retail traders. There is a case to be made for infrastructure investments and maybe unemployment benefits/stimulus checks but even then the amount of money that is truly needed isn't enough to explain why the quantity should be increased by 40%.
The only thing that is certain is that the wealth transfer effect is not considered undesirable by the Fed and that they would do it again, even if it doesn't solve any real problems.
The quantity of money might have gone up for large companies, banks and those positioned correctly, but that's inaccessible to the majority of the American population. The majority of 2020 stimulus was delivered to private banks that prioritized their largest strictly for-profit customers. 2021 stimulus, in contrast, shifts the balance toward direct aid and city/state aid.
I'm not denying the existence of bubbles, busts, and crashes, but historically and on average, the stock market does only go up.
This market is overvalued and will likely correct, but that doesn't mean it won't continue to rise on the aggregate.
More value is created over time than lost.
When does this become unsustainable?
Over a long enough period, stonks only go up because that is what we've collectively agreed on, and government will backstop at all costs [2] while population and productivity extracted from that population declines over time [3].
I recommend "Shrinking-population Economics: Lessons From Japan" [3] on this topic.
[1] https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2014/02/World-population-...
[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-06/boj-becom...
And even if DCA weren't factored in, how would the returns compare?
Buying S&P, or the Apple, Amazon and Tesla ones is another story. Looking at the average can be misleading.
What this is missing is the amount of time investors are investing in. Day traders don’t care about tomorrow, they care about the difference between 9 am and 4 pm. Options traders might care about the next few weeks. If you are investing for 20+ years in a retirement account, you don’t care about the bubble. It will self correct over a year and by the time you withdraw, stocks are significantly up.
Bonds make sense if you are investing for 1 month to say 3 years.
I don't think it is fair to call 2001 and 2008 "blips". Their combined effect was we lost 20 years worth of potential growth.
But look on either side of that blip and there is plenty of profit.
That said, I also don’t own Tesla because I think it’s crazy overvalued.
The crash will come once average suburbanites stop protesting everything denser than a half-acre single-family home and city councils realize that mixed-zoning is far more sustainable.
There were not unsurmountable government restrictions (obviously). There was no real demand for it. The housing demand was largely speculative, people investing in houses because "prices never go down". Often, they didn't even get rented - why bother, if the valuation of your "investment" grows faster than what you can get from rent?
In markets like these, huge increases in supply don't drive the prices down. Hoarding, speculation and housing flipping absorb everything that gets built. We still have insanely high housing prices today.
So conversely, the crash will never come as long as average suburbanites continue to protest everything denser than a half-acre single-family home? Because I wouldn't bet on human nature changing any time soon.
Certainly, but as Keynes said, "in the long term we're all dead". Less dramatically, average annual returns over long periods of time depend dramatically on when you start and stop the calculation. At some point, people want to retire and live off their savings and "wait another 10 years and you'll recover your principal loss" isn't a comforting message.
It's not a binary choice.
Taking a haircut after 30years of gains is OK.
Quite possibly you’re being too pessimistic.
Only time will tell I suppose.
The first condition creates a natural headwind to increase stock values. The current condition will reverse that.
I understand the concept of undiversifiable risk, but seeing it play out in practice was eye opening.
I wonder what TIPS did during the same timeframe actually.
EDIT: I looked at VGLT and the mean annual return is extremely low, roughly 0.75%. I like the seemingly negative correlation with equities but I'll need to do some modelling to see if it's worth the massive hit in average expected return.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-12/warren-bu...
I keep seeing that graph when I even entertain the idea of being in the stock market right now.
Don't they always go up on average though? Even the much hyped 'housing crash' of 2008 only last for all of 3 yrs till 2011 after which they went zooming past the previous highs.
This is why having a good asset mix is important. You shouldn't have no stocks, because they have really good returns on average. But on the flip side, having only stocks is somewhat risky because it's impossible to tell if you are buying on the topside or bottom side of a bubble.
[1]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwake/2019/03/30/new-study-o... "Old Real Estate Bubbles (1582-1810)"
[2]: https://globalfinancialdata.com/seven-centuries-of-real-esta... "Seven Centuries of Real Estate Prices"
[3]: https://observationsandnotes.blogspot.com/2011/07/housing-pr... "100 Years of Inflation-Adjusted Housing Price History"
([3] is inflation-adjusted. For [2] see the second chart for inflation-adjusted prices. [1] is not inflation-adjusted but there wasn’t much inflation in Amsterdam back then.)
Maybe you think they should keep going up, for whatever reason, and you might be right. But that's different than the fact that they increased on average in the past.
It's not too far off to say that, in the long term, their real value does not go up, they just track inflation. Of course in recent years we live in Weird Times financially.
https://www.multpl.com/case-shiller-home-price-index-inflati...
https://twitter.com/SellFiat/status/1347958257642569730/phot...
Above graph is only about Bitcoin, people have made a shit ton more on Alt..
"Even if you had to sell your stocks at the bottom of the Great Depression, but held them for more than 20 years before that, you would not suffer a loss in value of your portfolio"
Now every stock market jitter leads to the Fed announcing an asset purchase program.
STONKS can only go up if you're 30 and don't plan to touch the money for 35 years, this is basically a fact(I'm just a SWE not a financial advisor).
If you're 55 and looking to retire in the next decade you normally shift a larger portion of your assets into more stable investments.
What is this supposed to mean to mere mortals?
The other 2, no idea.
As a counterpoint, I have a BSCS, and closer to 35 YOE, and I have never, nor will ever in my lifetime see $800K/year. To date, not even a quarter that.
I have browsed the app and don't recall many 25 year olds claiming >$500K TC (except those who were part of particularly lucky IPOs). 30+ year olds, definitely.
Whether that would crash stocks or the economy is more questionable. Probably stocks.