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But it's fine, we don't really care about language adoption if the best most supported most tested most hiring languages swallow their features, right ?

What matters is what we do with the language, more than the name of it no?

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The problem (as I see it, anyways) is that the 'big boys' that I referred to in my initial comment have been around a long time (2000 for C#, 1995 for Java) and over that long history, have had a slew of language changes. They are starting to suffer from the same problem that C++ suffers from, where every shop defines their own subset of the language with which they use. Meanwhile, the languages that they graft features from (e.g., F#) tend to be smaller and more coherent with respect to the feature set.

But that’s the great thing about java, it is still a pretty lean language even with its age.

And even C#, which has grown a lot, tends to have pretty orthogonal features, so that you don't end up too often in C++'s problem that every feature interacts with every other feature and complicates it.

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