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I’d buy except for forced Facebook login - the brand is a bit damaged

Same, my next upgrade from the Oculus v1 will probably be a valve index for this reason.

I agree, but they're still basically unchallenged in the wireless VR space so I doubt it would affect the average consumer's buying decision.

I think I'm going to bite the bullet on the quest. I plan to do some vr development so having access to one most common headsets helps. On top of that, while the vive is better, I just can't justify the cost at the minute (perhaps if the development takes off).

The base stations plus the headset and controllers are over a thousand, unless someone can correct me.

I've owned the Original Vive, the Vive Pro, Vive Pro with wireless add-on, and the Quest 2 - everything is put away in favor of the Quest 2, in fact I bought two of them. I even made a (only for the Quest) facebook account, something I haven't had since 2010. The Quest 2 is awesome, IMO the first truly accessible VR platform.

With a modern wifi hub, it can also stream from your PC outrageously well - no cable needed. (Virtual Desktop + Sidequest).

Anyway, I recommend it.

Virtual desktop doesn't require side quest anymore [1]. Facebook has allowed the full featured version. Although, I noticed that PCVR is nowhere in the description.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t61aXT-pOlc

Ooh nice news!

> while the vive is better

Here's a through the lens comparing the Quest 2 and Vive. The Vive is absolutely obsolete, in terms of image quality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTaYQNghAxI

I'm holding out for XR2 based Quest competitors. But they will be more expensive for sure.

The general pubic don’t care. Instagram and WhatsApp are huge.

Instead of a Samsung or Google account?

From a practical POV: logging in with Samsung account would be OK. Logging in with Google account wouldn't, for the same reason Facebook isn't.

It's because ToS violations tend to be executed against the whole cloud account. Do something stupid in a Samsung VR game? The hypothetical Samsung headset is now a paperweight, but at least that's all that happened. Nobody uses their Samsung account for anything anyway.

Do the same on Quest, and you lose your Facebook account. Or, post something on Facebook that their automoderation doesn't like, and you lose your Quest.

Same stuff happens with Google all the time. My favorite example is how a lot of people lost their whole digital lives because they commented with emojis on a YouTube livestream[0], and got their Google accounts banned immediately by YouTube's spam detector. That means GMail, Google Docs, calendar, all gone.

That's the pragmatic POV. A little more future-oriented POV is to say hard no to all such cloud logins, because as implemented today, they're a stupid and exploitative idea. With the importance of digital SaaS to daily lives and businesses of so many people, we're allowing companies to create what's essentially a parallel system of legislation and national (fiefdom?) IDs.

[0] - https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/dtyxn7/whats_... - TL;DR: a popular YouTuber asked the audience of his livestream to vote on some stuff live, using color emojis to distinguish between options.

Instead of a steam account. Facebook is infinitely more likely to ban your account and lock you out of your games than valve.

If you violate any of the facebook rules, your oculus games are toast. If you spam the steam forums you get banned from the forums but not your games. The only way I know to get banned from the steam store is to make chargebacks.

Exactly this.

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