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It always amazes me how some people are unable to accept the fact that there are extremists ideologies in this world. The fact that you think that it’s possible to solve a conflict with diplomatic talks, no matter if the ideology in front of you is capable of sacrificing its own children in suicide bombings to kill other civilians ( which not even the nazis or the japanese kamikaze did), in a pure act of hate, should let you think twice about the best tactic.

Sometimes, it is really impossible to talk some sense to some people. It’s just very hard to accept for us, but it just is, and history has proved that sometimes force is , unfortunately, the wisest choice.

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It's easy to dismantle this argument by realising that you're making a fake comparison. Nobody (not even ISIS) is going to be stupid enough to give access to nukes to the kinds of people that they value little enough to send on suicide bomb attacks. This was also true for the Axis forces. Nobody was entrusting low level SS and Kamikaze grunts with nuclear codes and the same would be true for even a "rogue" state like North Korea or Iran.

You also clearly don't understand what path would lead someone to resort to suicide bombing if you think you can reduce it to "a pure act of hate". These are desperate people who have been brainwashed to the point that they think they would bring more net worth to the world by blowing themselves and their surroundings up than living on. What would help "talk sense" to people is to stop engaging in illegal invasive wars that (intentionally or unintentionally) destabilise their region.

That's a bit of an unrelated tangent no? I don't think anyone in this thread was suggesting that force is never warranted.

I'm sure that if the Palestinians were granted either citizenship in a Palestinian state or equal citizenship in Israel, there would be many fewer ideologues in the region.

that shows how little you know of and understand the problem.

Let's be clear Israel itself was born from "extreme views" implemented by violence. There are no examples of this kind of civil conflict that have been solved by simply overwhelming the other side. Dialogue needs to happen, and reining in extremists (settlers, Hamas) on both sides would be a good start.

That is just an ad hominem. If you have an argument, state it.

If you have accepted this narrative then surely you can understand that there are also extremist ideologues who believe the other side cannot be reasoned with and war is the only solution. The pendulum swings both ways but eventually rests in the middle. Whether that middle ground is peace or a detente history will tell.

You also don't understand that one side may poor, can't fight with a rich nation. So they are forced to go that way.

Enemy may call you terrorist, but if it is your country you are freedom fighter.

Not continue to take other people's land and not making their live worse in cunning way is also wise.

Nope... being poor never justified suiciding your own children. For that you need an ideology that’s strong enough to brainwash the most basic natural instincts of the parent.

How many does that, that you your argument about the whole section of people have to be based upon that?

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