The New C++: Lay down your guns, knives, and clubs

Have you seen how Java does it? You annotate your stuff as "public" when you want to expose it.

> As for your example of container classes, the problem (IIRC) is to not leave the container in an invalid state, when the exception is thrown, e.g. if you insert a range into a vector, and an exception occurs in the middle of this, you need to rollback before rethrowing the exception.

There are two problems: leaving the container in a valid state, and avoiding memory leaks. The former is a problem in most languages with parameterized types and exceptions. The latter is a problem only in C++, because what you call "automatic storage" makes exception-safety difficult as I pointed out. Since adding garbage collection to C++ is still a non-starter, I'm gonna go ahead and say adding exceptions was a mistake. The C way with error codes was better. With error codes, writing an error-safe Stack class would've been a task for one day instead of three years. (Granted, the code would've been longer and less "subtle". I don't care.)

> The C++ template mechanisms gave us STL, something the author said no other language allowed him to create, and something I am truly grateful for having been exposed to in my career.

I'm not sure the STL should ever have been made an industrial standard. People mostly need things like foreach, filter, fold, find, sort... STL's interface for such operations is too convoluted, you have to write a lot of weird code that doesn't do anything except make the compiler happy, learn about iterators etc. The sweet-spot interface (IMO) is by using closures, like Smalltalk does it:

    product := 0.
    numbers do: [:each | product := product * each]

Well, you can't help having strings built in, because the language has string literals, right? They must evaluate to something. All I'm saying is that the wrong default (making them evaluate to a pointer that points to the start of a null-terminated string, and having tons of library functions that accept those) is worse than the right default (making them evaluate to an instance of a built-in string type).

> the language should allow the user (library supplier) to introduce new types that look and feel exactly like built in types, that way, we can also get regexps, matrixes, associative arrays, sets, a.s.o. as types which feel like first class citizens.

This generally doesn't work unless your language is extremely syntactically malleable, like Lisp, and I'm not sure it's an especially worthwhile goal. Can C++ get regexp literals like in Perl? Map literals like in Javascript? Actually it doesn't even have array literals, instead it has "initializers" that aren't even rvalues. I think the sane decision is to give the user a bunch of built-in types that cover like 80% of the required functionality (booleans, numbers, strings, arrays, closures, maybe also regexps and maps) and let them implement the rest as libraries without worrying that their new type "looks just like a built-in".

I wrote about it in an earlier thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2617990